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- #: 7914 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 23:15:13
- Sb: screen garbage
- Fm: Victor Silva 73757,1510
- To: sysop (X)
-
- I have noticed a few other screen garbage bugs reported on this forum so I am
- posting mine. I am using an ATI VGA wonder 1024 (512K RAM) installed in a
- 386/33 AMI motherboard with an AMI BIOS dated 04-09-90. I get a good amount of
- screen garbage in both the sysinfo->system and sysinfo->benchmarks screens. I
- am running MSDOS 3.30 and have tried to boot with a plain system, ie.
- CONFIG.SYS contained:
- DEVICE=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS
- BUFFERS=25
- FILES=40
-
- AUTOEXEC.BAT contained:
- SET PCTOOLS=D:\UTIL\PCT\DATA
-
- I didn't even use a mouse and the garbage still appeared. Ihave tried ruuning
- with the /NF parameter, same problem.
-
- ORIGIN:CENTRAL
-
- #: 7894 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 21:59:49
- Sb: Mouse Problems
- Fm: Ron Jarnagin 72406,2445
- To: ALL
-
- I just installed PCTOOLS V7 on my machine (previously had V6) and now it can't
- seem to find my mouse. The previous version had no problem with the mouse. I
- am running DOS 4.01 on a Northgate 386/20 with an ATI VGA Wonder board with
- the bus mouse installed. I also run WIN 3.0. Every other program that needs
- the mouse can find it, but not PCT V7. I use the mouse driver supplied by
- ATI. Can someone help me find my mouse?
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8019 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 11:48:46
- Sb: #7894-Mouse Problems
- Fm: Michael Vario 71620,3324
- To: Ron Jarnagin 72406,2445 (X)
-
- PCTools currently bugs out with the ATI driver. My suggestion is to replace
- the driver. If you have windows it comes with MSMouse driver ver 7.04, if
- it's not on your hard disk you can expand it off the windows installation
- floppies. Remember, with the ATI bus mouse you have to load the MS driver
- with the /b switch, but it will work just fine. For a full set of switches,
- check out the Microsoft Knowledgebase.
-
- -Misha
-
- #: 8023 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 12:05:07
- Sb: Logitech Problem
- Fm: Kenneth Albanowski 70705,126
- To: Kristin Haywood 75300,1172
-
- Kristin,
-
- If I load the Logitech mouseware utilities (version 5) and then load DATAMON,
- the Logitech software can no longer detect that it's already loaded.
-
- - Ken
-
-
- #: 8028 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 12:17:11
- Sb: DesqView bug
- Fm: Jim Duberg 73747,2147
- To: Stephen Hornyak 71410,36
-
- Same problem here. DOS5, DV2.34 (latest). Probably something in the .DVP
- file that is wrong. If you discover a fix, please post it. Thanks.
-
- #: 8089 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 16:17:11
- Sb: Mouse problem w/V.7
- Fm: Michael David Schulman 76220,344
- To: Sysop (X)
-
- I use PC shell as a stand alone program and DOS5 as my OS. My problem is with
- my mouse: it won't work on the next-to-bottom line of the screen. Neither
- will the letter commands. So, for example, if I click on a file name and the
- click on "View", nothing happens. Same result if I type "V" to view the file.
- Any ideas? Thanx!
-
- #: 7921 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 23:49:25
- Sb: Yet more PCT V7 bugs...
- Fm: Carl Rosen 71121,2373
- To: Sysop (X)
-
- This is an upgrade? I have never seen so many bug reports on a new product
- (with the possible exception of dBase IV 1.0). I must say that I am
- underwhelmed and seriosly disappointed with PC Tools Version 7. To tell you
- the truth, I expected PCSHELL to be a WinApp. Imagine MY surprise. The
- amazing part is that someone thought that this was a good idea (and managed to
- convince several others!)
-
- Now to the point- When I run PCShell (in or out of Windows) I frequently find
- that my Logitech mouse (diver version 5.01) hangs in a small square of the
- screen, and the entire screen will scroll in a small 2 character square
- window. I can restore fuctionality in Windows by "Alt-Esc"-ing to program
- manager and then double clicking back to PCShell, although the display is
- still corrupted with an invalid mouse cursor in an invalid 2 char square
- window. I have a 25 MHz 386 clone with 8 megabytes of ram (using HIMEM.SYS
- and EMM386 I configure 2MB as LIM 4.0)
-
- Apparently I am not the only one to report problems with V7. I was going to
- check the CPS Forum to see if my problem had already been fixed, but I was not
- going to spend th time to read 250+ different message threads all pertaining
- to V7 bug reports. It is obvious to me that CPS has a problem. When CPS has
- it fixed, I expect that CPS will inform their registered users of the bug
- fixes, and ship the bug fixes as soon as possible. We all came to expect
- quality products and services from Central Point Software, and I beleive that
- we should give them a chance to make it right before we get our return
- authorizations, and switch to Norton (F)Utilities (ugh!).
-
- Hopefully, Carl
-
- #: 8014 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 11:09:59
- Sb: Yet more PCT V7 bugs...
- Fm: Russell Mueller 76662,1623
- To: Carl Rosen 71121,2373 (X)
-
- Carl, are you loading PCSHELL with the /NGM (no graphical mouse) parameter?
- This fixed the mouse-in-a-box for me.
- -Russ (one of the rare, contented PCT7 users).
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8130 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 18:19:47
- Sb: #8014-Yet more PCT V7 bugs...
- Fm: Carl Rosen 71121,2373
- To: Russell Mueller 76662,1623 (X)
-
- No Russ, I am not. I will try it, though. However, my dissatisfaction goes
- deeper than just the bugs I have encountered. But I'm not going to start on
- that now. Thanks for the response. I'll let you know via easyplex how it
- turns out. Carl
-
- #: 7881 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 21:32:58
- Sb: DOS Undel bug workaround
- Fm: Ron D. Troy 76064,252
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim, all I have is an accellerated xt equiv using an 80386sx with conventional
- ram and EMS 3.2 ram. Unless there's some way to use it as extended ram I
- doubt I could afford to use DataMon.
-
- Ron
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8136 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 19:03:20
- Sb: #7881-DOS Undel bug workaround
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Ron D. Troy 76064,252 (X)
-
- Ron,
-
- I had thought that we might be talking about different things, and now am more
- sure of it. DataMon won't use Expanded memory or Extended memory to load it's
- code. It will use the 384k of Upper memory between Conventional memory and
- Extended memory. By definition, Extended memory starts at an address of
- 1024k, and Conventional memory ends at 640k. This leaves a "no-man's land" of
- 384k of memory that memory managers such as Qemm386, 386Max, and DOS 5's
- EMM386 can load programs into. This is the area, rather than Extended memory,
- that I'm talking about DataMon loading into automatically.
-
- If your system has a different means of addressing memory, or if this is
- something that you already understood, then please disregard, as it sounds
- like we're talking about apples vs oranges.
-
- Thanks,
- Tim Elmer
- CPS Tech Support
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8191 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 21:20:43
- Sb: #8136-DOS Undel bug workaround
- Fm: Ron D. Troy 76064,252
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim, I don't have any extended or 'upper', etc. I have a 640k conventional
- plus 750k or so EMS 3.2. Period. Obviously, I can't run DataMon.
-
- The real question; is there anything in V7 I can safely and reasonably run?
- Or should my order be cancelled?
-
- Ron
-
- #: 7965 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 03:54:43
- Sb: DOS Undel bug workaround
- Fm: Michael Vario 71620,3324
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Hi, Tim, thanks for the reply. Yes, a 486 makes Windows *almost* useable. As
- for loading order, that sounds right, but where does MSMouse 8.0 come in? If
- you haven't used it yet, it comes compressed, has an installation menu,
- changes your autoexec.bat (sets up as .com though both files are available)
- and your windows system.ini files, and even set a mouse group into windows.
- The mouse .drv it sets changes the one in windows that PCTools has previously
- changed. If I go that route should I load mouse 8.0 THEN re-install
- PCTools??? Windows is still in crash mode till I get to play around with it
- tomorrow. /r doesn't work either, and it's documented that standard mode
- won't work with emm386 (so form reading messages, I'll probably be acquiring
- QEMM soon: loads more high with greater EMS flexibility). And I am using the
- dos 5 versions of himem and emm386, they both worked fine on my old system.
- And yes, this crash thing seems to be a VERY common problem, though various
- people have fixed it in a plethora of different ways, so it's not an easily
- diagnosable symptom. I'm not using either smartdrive, just PC-Cache, worked
- with the old setup, and it seems to be faster. One thing with the mouse 8.0:
- I know that usualy it's loaded high with either LH/LOADHIGH (for .com) or
- DEVICEHIGH= (for .sys), *BUT* MSMouse 8.0 has an option switch, /U that is
- also supposed toload the driver high, just to add to my confusion. Which is
- preferrable is beyond me. And lastly, I have 8 megs, of which I'm working
- with 1 meg as expanded, one, because Aladdin (GEnie) can use it, but mainly
- because FALCON 3.0 is going to utilize it, and I want to get the system
- working with that capability. Thanks for the response, and I WILL talk to you
- soon!
-
- -Misha
-
- #: 8209 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:02:49
- Sb: PCT 7 out with known bug
- Fm: Jeffrey Marchi 72230,3523
- To: ALL
-
- A PC tools 7 beta tester was on Fidonet leaving messages today. He said he
- had found at least 12 SERIOUS problems with PC Tools 7 and had reported them
- all. Within 1 week of the report the product was released without any fixes
- for these SERIOUS bugs. It's a pity that CPS is so hungry to send out product
- and get some cash flow that they are willing to do it on the backs of their
- customers. As many people are noting PC Tools 7 is one of the buggiest
- products to hit the streets in a long time. I thought after version 6 came
- out with it's seriously defective PC-Cache that they would learn a
- lesson....apparently not.
-
- I am still keeping my update because I know they will EVENTUALLY fix the
- problems but they are making a real BLACK MARK with their name in the
- industry.
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8219 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:37:31
- Sb: #8209-PCT 7 out with known bug
- Fm: Steve Carter 70260,211
- To: Jeffrey Marchi 72230,3523 (X)
-
- Alas. I have discovered another problem I've not read about here; the new
- PCSHELL simply stops when trying to move from one directory to another,
- hanging the computer (a 386) up. CPBACKUP doesn't work with the same disks
- that PCBACKUP loved; it says I have incompatable media. Phooie!
-
- It has a pretty user interface, but there ain't nothing under the hood. Too
- bad; I've erased all of version 7.0 from my hard disk and restored 6.0; I'm
- advising everyone who will listen to avoid 7.0 like the plague.
-
- Is there a trend here? Managing Your Money (Andy Tobias' program from MECA)
- had a disaster with a version 7.0 upgrade. Maybe that's the unlucky number??
-
- #: 8223 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:40:08
- Sb: CMOS/Direct writes
- Fm: Charles Ruether 71241,2003
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
-
- Hello,
-
- I was wondering if PCTools v7, hereafter Tv7, used CMOS drive type
- information or made direct writes to disk.
-
- Tv7 does not run for long on my machine. Installed it several times
- in several old familiar ways. Corrective action on my part was to low
- level format the drives, partition with DOSv5, and format with DOSv5
- (after 3 days, everything is up except Tv7).
-
- Fault list todate:
-
- 1 has not worked in Windows3 (couldn't find its overlays, but could
- under DOS, environment variable PCTOOLS= my installed path to DATA)
- 2 crashed after Options/Colors difficulty accepting color assignements
- and then Tree/Expand ALL (blinking colors and no keyboard type
- crash -> DOS data segment trashed)
- 3 locked up in CPBackup loading a set just defined with Tv7
- 4 can't switch drives in Locate
- 5 removed other Windows program groups when Tv7 utilities groups and
- Launcher were deleted prepatory to re-install
-
- I'm back to Tv6 until I can figure out why standard installation of
- Tv7 doesn't seem to be working for me.
-
- It dawned on me to inquire about CMOS. I don't have a standard drive,
- but have two non-standard. CMOS -thinks- I have two standard drives.
- Physical drive access managed by mapping drive card. If Tv7 does
- physical access at hardware level, who knows what will happen, or when,
- which is pretty much what I have expirenced since trying to install Tv7.
- What say CPTech, its been a tough weekend past.
-
- c.ruether
-
- #: 8228 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:50:41
- Sb: V7.0 stinks
- Fm: Charles Ruether 71241,2003
- To: Dennis Wicks 72240,1071
-
- Yes, I'd agree that you lucky indeed. I am running a 386SX that doesn't
- run v7. The Error3 disappeared after I had to reinstall windows and then
- reinstalled v7. CPBackup locked up loading on of the set files defined in
- CPBackup v7. Options/Colors does not keep assignments. And there's more..
- As to vendors and software and variety of target environments, that the
- cost of doing business. MicroSoft, Borland, Lotus and seem to have nuke proof
- apps out there. That's why we spend the big dollars for software. PCT is a
- needed program that meet a variety of needs with style in v6, but in v7 the
- quirks seem to have developed in earthquakes.
-
- c. ruether
-
- #: 8230 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:56:27
- Sb: V7.0 stinks
- Fm: Charles Ruether 71241,2003
- To: Gordon McComb 73155,353 (X)
-
- Hang in there Gordon, I'm on your side. There is something amiss here with
- v7. I was unaware that there was data corruption in DiskFix, but by the sheer
- numbers of messages on this board, there has to a fundamental flaw in v7's
- design. I have a theory that its writing directly to disk for a speed
- advantage. Whatever it is, CP needs to know user's problems, that's why they
- have this forum. While my image of CP is dented, they've been around for a
- while now, and I think that they will use our input to get it right the 2nd
- time out.
-
- c. ruether
-
- #: 8020 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 11:50:29
- Sb: 7.0 destroys HD
- Fm: James Schmidt 73447,607
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim,
- I run PCSHELL from the command line NOT resident.
- I have 605K available prior to invoking PCSHELL.
- I have QEMM, CMDEDIT, PUSHDIR, VGA dimmer resident (none do async i/o).
- Programs and all resident on local C: drive.
- Network is Netware 286 (version 1.? I think).
- If an EXACT release is required I'l have to get back to you.
- Thanks,
- James
-
- #: 8031 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 12:22:38
- Sb: 7.0 destroys HD
- Fm: James Schmidt 73447,607
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim,
- Attitional information:
-
- I also have IPX and NET3 resident.
- Netware 286 V2.15 Rev C
-
- James
-
- #: 8241 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:23:16
- Sb: 7.0 destroys HD
- Fm: Matthew Ackerman 76011,2465
- To: david sayson 73707,1507
-
- I have not tried that yet, and it is unlikely I will. I have now found what I
- consider over 50 bugs and have "UPGRADED" to 6.0! If and when CPS decides to
- Correct these Problems I might consider putting 7.0.9999 up. The number is no
- TYPO... It simply states my response as a Software Engineer for a Major
- Software Development Firm to the number of problems and obvious bugs in this
- software.
-
- Best of luck with your machine using this S.W.
-
- Matt
-
- #: 7893 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 21:54:57
- Sb: Diskfix Problem
- Fm: Ed. Mueller 70441,3720
- To: ALL
-
- I'm also having a problem with Diskfix, ver. 7.0. Whenever I try to do a
- surface scan, the machine displays "Reading System Areas" and locks up after
- brief disk activity requiring a re-boot. When I enter the "Revitalize" menu,
- I get errors on the hard disk controller tests, but then it locks up when
- running timing tests so I can't see what errors it's talking about. I never
- saw these problems with version 6.0 and the "normal" Diskfix checks report
- nothing is wrong. I have not seen any disk related problems during normal
- machine operation.
-
- My configuration: 286 IBM clone, Microscience HH1120 120 MB drive w. 1313
- cyls, 7 heads, 17 sectors/track configured to run as 80 MB using a WD 1006 1:1
- MFM controller. The drive is partitioned into two logicals drives of 32 MB &
- 48 MB using MS-DOS 3.20 with Ontrack's Disk Manager ver. 4.04.
-
- Considering all the "bugs" and concerns regarding ver. 7.0 posted here,
- should I revert back to ver. 6.0 until 7.x comes out? Will upgrades to the
- various tools be posted here on CompuServe like many other vendors do? I'd
- open to any advice/comments.
-
- Thanks for your help.
-
- - Ed.
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8286 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 01:26:24
- Sb: #7893-Diskfix Problem
- Fm: John A. Plozay 72407,651
- To: Ed. Mueller 70441,3720 (X)
-
- Ed - As a System House and VAR we were buying and installing V6 on all our
- machines having been a steady customer of CPS from day one. However, we have
- had DISKFIX and other V7 Utilities not only not work correctly but CAUSE
- problems. This is a major NO NO. I am not happy if a utility doen't do much
- good; but its an absolute Rule that such utilities should add to the problems.
- We have removed V7 from our machines and shelves, returned all copies for
- resale that we had ordered from distributers and madly bought up all the V6 we
- could find.
- We have had MAJOR problems with a phases of DISKFIX and UNDELETE and FORMAT
- found in V7 on MFM, RLL, ESDI and SCSI Hard Disks (Esp. with DOS 5.0)
- I would be very careful of your use of ANY of the "Utility" functions and make
- sure that you have good system and data backups. We have had over five
- instances of V7 opening up previously "locked out" bad sectors and then
- placing files into them -- with the usual bad results.
- --jp--
-
- #: 7935 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 00:34:57
- Sb: pctools v7.0 bugs
- Fm: Steve Konicki 71640,3311
- To: Jerry Lerman 73557,1453 (X)
-
- Central Point Software Technical Support C/O Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
-
- --I am writing to express my dismay at some of the malfunctions I am
- experiencing with PCTools v7.0. Specifically, here are the problems I -- The
- MOVE command in PCShell deletes files without moving them, and otherwise gets
- confused about the task it is to perform. -- Often when I launch PCShell,
- either from DOS or from Windows, it will not permit me to switch from my C:
- drive to my D: drive. Pressing make it switch, and hitting CTRL DRIVELETTER
- doesn't work. -- Using the mouse to scroll through a lengthy list of files in
- the files window of PCShell causes an extremely jumpy display. In fact, it E
- AREA, and then scroll BACK ONTO THE SCREEN a second time. -- Besides this
- jumpiness, scrolling through the file list Window of PCShell when there is
- more than a screenfull of files is so slow that -- Using the graphics mouse
- cursor in PCShell under Windows results in lockups and crashes. I was trapped
- in PCShell several times this pas based PCTools v7.0 utilities I have run
- under DOS 5.0 or Windows. -- About the Windows CPBackup program, I have had
- one unexplained lockup mid-backup. As usual with a CPS backup program, upon
- being launche e and capable of doing backups at any speed I choose. My windows
- setup is as virtually bullet-proof as Windows gets. e/
-
- e
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8001 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 10:20:32
- Sb: #7935-pctools v7.0 bugs
- Fm: Bob Paulsen 74020,54
- To: Steve Konicki 71640,3311 (X)
-
- Steve,
-
- I may be able to help with one of the things mentioned in your message.
-
- The "jumpy" scrolling occurs for me too -- when I use the LEFT mouse button.
- Using the RIGHT mouse button works fine. Give it a try!
-
- (I am not associated with Central Point, just a user hoping the problems
- with PCTools get fixed soon since it will then be a GREAT set of programs.)
-
- Bob P.
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8297 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 02:15:10
- Sb: #8001-pctools v7.0 bugs
- Fm: Steve Konicki 71640,3311
- To: Bob Paulsen 74020,54 (X)
-
- Thank you. I usually don't try to leave messages in the forums, and got this
- one twisted up funny. Thanks very much for your reply.
-
- #: 8200 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 21:42:33
- Sb: Screen Blanker Problems
- Fm: Dave Jackson 71021,2710
- To: Kristin Haywood 75300,1172
-
- Kristin,
- I have had a couple of problems with the Screen Blanker.
-
- The first problem is that when I was at the DOS prompt (DOS 5) and the
- screen blanker kicked in, I was unable to get a cursor or see anything I typed
- when I came back to my machine. When I typed PCShell the program loaded fine
- and I had no problem with the blanker while it was running.
- The second problem was when I was using the CompuServe Information Manager
- using only the mouse for a period of time, the screen blanker kicked in and I
- was unable to disconnect or exit the program. I had to reboot and log on to
- CIS again. Maybe future versions of the blanker could check for idle time on
- the mouse as well as the keyboard <grin>.
- Are there any command line switches to fix these problems or is there
- something else I can do?
-
- Thanks,
- Dave
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8318 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 07:59:04
- Sb: #8200-Screen Blanker Problems
- Fm: Neil Judell 71401,136
- To: Dave Jackson 71021,2710
-
- I also have a few problems with the screen blanker. I use Aladdin as my
- communications program with GEnie (wash my mouth out with water, but I run the
- C and C++ sections for Borland over there). If I set up Aladdin to download a
- file, and it takes longer than the limit for screen blanking, the PCTools
- screen blanker kicks in during the download, and Aladdin gets locked up, while
- the blanker asks for the password. Not too swift. I junked the screen
- blanker and went back to fansiconsole for screen blanking, since Aladdin
- continues to run even with the screen blanked that way.
-
- #: 8340 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 10:49:28
- Sb: MIRROR CRASHES
- Fm: Kenn Johnston 70671,1401
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
-
- Teresa:
-
- I have left three messages on the tech support # (503-690-8080) but
- still no response. Whenever I have either mirror, or pc-cache ver 7 loaded in
- autoexec my fifth generation menu system locks up. With the lines removed it
- runs fine. HELP !!!!!
-
- Kenn
-
- #: 7884 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 21:36:11
- Sb: Cancel Order
- Fm: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- To: TOM MORRIS 71441,2260 (X)
-
- Tom,
-
- If you leave a message for Kimberly Sell in the Customer Service section, she
- will have UPS come pick it up. Thanks for your patience.
-
- Teresa Warsop
- CPS - Tech Support
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8349 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 11:35:03
- Sb: #7884-Cancel Order
- Fm: Dr.Daniel Porecki 70156,1426
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- Hi, Theresa- I am reposting a question to CPS- in the manuals that came w/
- PCTOOLS 7, low level format refresh for interleave is mentioned twice in the
- tables of content, but, apparently wrong page numbers. It is my understanding
- that PCTOOLS 7 can refresh low level format. How does one go about it? Thanks,
- Dan
-
- #: 8353 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 11:55:12
- Sb: Lesson for Corey Smith
- Fm: R. Chris Cowles 73347,2452
- To: all
-
- I think Corey Smith should call Ed Esber to discuss the folly of releasing
- unfinished software just to meet one's own self-imposed marketing deadline.
-
- Chris Cowles
- Houston, TX
-
- #: 8165 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 20:12:06
- Sb: Desktop print bug
- Fm: Ron Young 73030,2515
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Hopefully someone can help me with this one.
-
- I have a database of approx 170 records maintained using the database function
- of Desktop. It was created using PCT v6 and I've added a couple records since
- upgrading to V7. Now the problem is when I try to print the contents of the
- database. No matter what settings I use to set the page layout (i.e. margins,
- etc.) I get 12,500+ BLANK lines BEFORE it finally prints out the contents of
- the database. Also, the contents are not broken up into appropriate pages,
- margins, etc. Never had a problem printing this file using V6.
-
- So far, I guess you could say that I've been lucky. This is the only bug that
- I've encountered using V7. Do you have any suggestions and has this occurred
- to anyone else? BTW, I'm using a PS/2 50, DOS 5.0, and the only TSRs are from
- either DOS or PCT.
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8218 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:31:45
- Sb: #8165-Desktop print bug
- Fm: Bill Devlin 70640,342
- To: Ron Young 73030,2515 (X)
-
- Ron, I also have a PS2 50Z, and earlier today encountered a similar problem
- trying to print a work.tm file from an earlier version of PCTOOLS (5.5) in
- Ver.7.0 Appt. Schedlr. The print command directed my printer (HP Deskjet
- Plus) to send an number of blank pages equal to the length of the document
- itself before printing the document. I discovered by t&e that the default
- printer was configured as HP laserjet, so I changed the device selection and
- it printed fine. Hope this helps. It seems that there are some other
- problems with files created in earlier versions (like cursor response time).
- Thought I would pass it along.
-
- Bill
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8381 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 14:01:47
- Sb: #8218-Desktop print bug
- Fm: Ron Young 73030,2515
- To: Bill Devlin 70640,342 (X)
-
- Thanks. I'll check into it and see what happens. If I get REALLY desparate,
- maybe I'll even try re-creating the entire thing in V7 and see what happens.
- Anyways, thanks for the info.
-
- #: 8166 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 20:13:03
- Sb: 7.0 Major Bugs
- Fm: Jerome W. Bressler 76264,1321
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim,
-
- I'm sorry that I had the trouble with your product. For the short time I used
- it, I was very impressed with the speed, flexibility and features that were
- included. It is a much improved interface over the previous versions.
-
- I don't have a copy of the Config.sys or Autoexec.bat from the 7.0
- installation, so here is the current configuration:
-
- Config.sys DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM.SYS RAM
- FILES=20
- BUFFERS=1
- STACKS=0,0
- LASTDRIVE=D
-
- Autoexec.bat CHO OFF
- C:\QEMM\LOADHI /R:2 C:\QEMM\BUFFERS=15
- C:\QEMM\LOADHI /R:1 C:\DOS\UTIL\COLORSET 23 3
- C:\DOS\UTIL\FASTATKB 00
- C:\QEMM\LOADHI /R:2 C:\DOS\RAT\MOUSE
- PROMPT $P$G
- CD C:\PCTOOLS
- MIRROR C:
- C:\QEMM\LOADHI /R:2 PC-CACHE /SIZEXT=256/ID/QUIET
- PATH C:\QEMM; C:\WS5;C:\;C:\PCTOOLS;C:\BATCH;
- PCSHELLL/TR0/350
-
- Before installing, I removed the Mirror and PC-Cache lines from the
- Autoexec.bat file and used install to reconfigure the system. The only other
- thing that was added was the delete tracker. The system would boot and run
- fine, but Optimize in QEMM386 would not run under this configuration. I
- reloaded PC-Cache into high memory using the same parameters that had worked
- before and left the others alone.
-
- Everything ran great for about 10 hours of use. Then I ran a routine disk
- compression. What came up after re booting was a bare C: prompt; no color,
- no shell, no Autoexec.bat, and only about half of the Menu system. Diskfix
- found about 12 detached clusters and saved them to the root directory.
- Putting them back together in a usable order is not in my line of experience.
- The only thing I could do then was re-load my previous backup of 6.0.
-
- Any suggestions would be appreciated.
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 7888 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 21:48:42
- Sb: CPBACKUP problems
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Vincent Chen 76636,415 (X)
-
- Vince,
-
- For your question regarding the Include/Exclude list, how many entries are in
- the list, and how deeply nested are any subdirectory paths in the list? I have
- seen a problem with several included directories that are along the order of:
-
- \dirname\dirname\dirname\*.*
-
- How many lines are in the Include/Exclude list, and how long are each of them?
- I suspect that the program runs out of memory with a highly complicated list.
-
- Thanks,
- Tim Elmer
- CPS Tech Support
-
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8070 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 15:26:27
- Sb: #7888-CPBACKUP problems
- Fm: Vincent Chen 76636,415
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Thanks for your reply. My Include/Exclude list has around 10 entries, but not
- very deeply nested. The number of entries is below the published maximum. It
- hung, however, even when I had only 2 entries. When you said run out of
- memory, do you mean the memory used to keep the Include/Exclude entries or the
- memory to keep the file list that is generated from the entries? (The latter
- seems to make more sense, since I'm using it on a 100MB partition that is
- almost full.) Maybe it is just not deallocating memory correctly (?)
-
- Anyway, what is the /V1 switch for PC-CACHE? It's not in my /? list either.
- Thanks for your trouble. -vince
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8387 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 14:13:37
- Sb: #8070-CPBACKUP problems
- Fm: Rich Zuris [WSI] 76702,520
- To: Vincent Chen 76636,415 (X)
-
- The /V1 switch is supposed to prevent an exPanded memory cache from being
- disabled in Windows Standard mode.
-
- #: 8236 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:07:10
- Sb: #7888-CPBACKUP problems
- Fm: Bob Tilewick 70153,614
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- FYI, I've had a very frustarting problem w/ CPB 7.0, installed on a Novell LAN
- network. When I've tried to back up my own hard disk (C drive), it reads all
- the files, checks all of them for virsuses, accurately calculates the # of
- files, begins to run through with the % clicking away, and then stops before
- it's through, acting as if it normally completed the backup. If I immediately
- run Compare, it spots the missing files. This bug has occurred in different
- locations along the directory tree, depending rouhly on the relative size of
- the directories. Any ideas on this one??? I've rebooted, taken down all
- TSRs, run Diskfix -- which reports no errors, and then, after a 5th or 6th
- try, it sometimes gets it right.!.?.
-
- #: 8051 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 14:01:24
- Sb: PCShell v7 problems
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Jeff Simmons 70401,2257 (X)
-
- Jeff,
-
- What mouse and mouse driver are you loading? I've had conversation with a
- couple of Logitech mouse users that have similar problems, so please let me
- know.
-
- Regarding the launching of files with V7 vs V6, it should be primarily the
- same type of setup, but it looks different. First set up the initial screen so
- that you are sure that the program will load. Once that's been established,
- make sure that on the command line for the program in question, you have
- pressed F8 to get some sort of file argument, such as <path>. After that, go
- into the Advanced options and make sure to add your Filename Associations
- (*.doc *.txt). That's all there should be to it, but if still having trouble
- let me know.
-
- Thanks, Tim Elmer CPS Tech Support
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8245 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:33:56
- Sb: #8051-PCShell v7 problems
- Fm: Jeff Simmons 70401,2257
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Thanks for the note.
-
- Some background on the mouse drivers. I checked in at Logitech's BBS and read
- a bulletin that said that Logitech mouse users would have to upgrade drivers
- in order to use DOS 5. Cost - $20. When I called to order one, they said I
- could download it for free from the BBS. My guess is the drivers have
- "undocumented features" (I can't get it to load high either) and they'll
- charge when they get rid of them :-)
-
- What I really need to do re program launches is to launch WordPerfect with ANY
- file. I use WP for some strange things (even occasionally as a programming
- editor) and besides, text files aren't just .doc and .txt anymore. In v6 I
- could do that, but it looks as if I won't in v7.
-
- Best of luck with the other problem.
-
- Jeff
-
-
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8396 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 14:55:13
- Sb: PCT Ver 7.0 Update Reqst
- Fm: Lawrence B. Toperoff 73740,2317
- To: SYSOP
-
- Gentlemen:
- I have just received my Ver 7.0 upgrade. The installation of the disks
- went very smoothly. I have installed this copy on a 386/20Mhz machine, with
- MS-DOS 4.01, VGA monitor, MS Mouse with driver of Version 7.04, and on hard
- disk. I also have Windows 3.0 operating, and Quarterdeck QEMM 5.1 as a
- memory manager to free up RAM.
-
- When I attempted to use PCSHELL to copy files from my hard drive to a
- floppy, the following occured. I used the right mouse button to highlight the
- first file. Then I pressed the left mouse button to highlight continuous
- files. However the highlight bar moved down one line, nad would not highlight
- another file. The mouse pointer stayed in place, and would not allow me to
- move out of the highlight selection. Another mouse pointer device showed up
- on the screen, but I could not control it.
-
- In order to get out of the screen, I had to reboot the system.
- When I select the files by using ENTER key, it properly selects and advances
- to the next file. This is also the case if I strike the left mouse button
- each time I select a file to copying.
-
- This is my first experiment with Version 7.0, and may experience other
- problems. But right now, lets just try to fix this one.
-
- Lawrence B. Toperoff
-
- P.S. I have run into this problem again. Just using the left mouse button to
- click on an item. The mouse pointer hangs in one place, and characters,
- appear in the line, as "[" or letters. Then another mouse pointer will appear
- on the screen and I can continue processing information at times. Other times
- the system will hang up in entirety, and reboot is required.
-
- #: 7995 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 09:45:22
- Sb: Tech support
- Fm: Thomas E. Wolff 76346,420
- To: sysop (X)
-
- Some more concerns about PCT version 7: 1. On version 6, when a DOS line
- command was invoked, one could see the DOS session in progress. Isn't this
- true on version 7? The screen is blank but the disk is churning away. Can I
- change something or do I have to live with this disconcerting new "feature"?
- 2. I can't get my editor (Kedit) to work correctly from the program list. I
- have associated file extensions and checked off the Force launch with selected
- file (I'd like it to work with highlight file as well), but when Kedit is
- called, it prompts me with "What file do you wish to edit"? This prompt is a
- sure sign that no parameters, i.e. filename, have been passed to Kedit. What
- am I missing, please?
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8008 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 10:37:51
- Sb: #7995-Tech support
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: Thomas E. Wolff 76346,420 (X)
-
- Thomas,
- I have also experienced that problem on my machine at home. I will
- put in a problem report for you so when it gets fixed you will be notified.
- In the meantime I suggest that you create a batch file like this:
-
- CHO OFF
- MODE CO80
- %1
-
- Call it DO.BAT, then just issue your command as DO MI or DO DIR. Make sense?
-
- Regards,
- Paul Todd
- CPS Tech Support
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8301 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 02:35:02
- Sb: #8008-Tech support
- Fm: Thomas E. Wolff 76346,420
- To: Paul Todd 70474,3351 (X)
-
- Thanks for this answer. I'll give it a try, tho it is an obvious quick fix.
-
- I wish to refer you back to my tech support note #7977. I have also found
- that the system "violates system integrity" in Windows when I try to invoke
- the move command in PCSHELL run from a window. When I try to move a file to
- the c: drive, it reads hundreds of directories, presumeably from the Novell
- network somewhere. Eventually the counting ends and I get the UAE message.
- This is a serious problem! I call on PCSHELL all the time for copy and move
- commands, and they don't work. Please help. Of all my requests, this seems the
- most critical. Thanks.
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8357 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 12:04:47
- Sb: #8301-Tech support
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: Thomas E. Wolff 76346,420 (X)
-
- Thomas,
- I hope a quick fix is better than no fix, and rest assured that I did
- put in a problem report for you. Since I am also experiencing the same
- problem I'll be waiting as eagerly as you for a fix.
- For the Windows problem you mentioned, I would try to see if the
- Expanded memory emulation is our problem. Add a line in your SYSTEM.INI file
- in the [386Enh] section that says: NoEMMDriver=yes. If the problem goes
- away, you may want to try changing the EMM page frame location.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Paul Todd
-
- CPS Tech Support
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8399 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 15:15:02
- Sb: #8357-Tech support
- Fm: Thomas E. Wolff 76346,420
- To: Paul Todd 70474,3351 (X)
-
- I'm not sure we are communicating. My principal concern is that I can neither
- copy or move files from the c: drive to the c: drive (different path of
- course). The system gets hung up reading hundreds of directories, presumeably
- from the network drives since the c: drive has fewer than 70 directories. I
- believe that the matter that PCSHELL is running in a DOS window is not germain
- to this problem. Windows is fragile and I could imagine some thing might get
- confused after PCSHELL reads hundreds of directories.
-
- My messages have had several parts and I have a hard time figuring out which
- part you are referring to. But in any case, I would like to know the answers
- to each part. Thanks.
-
- #: 8033 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 12:30:54
- Sb: Ver7 & Windows
- Fm: David R Schulman 72740,2541
- To: All
-
- Is anybody else finding more frequent unrecoverable error messages
- when running ver. 7 Cache with windows? I use the /WIN and /V1 parameters.
- But it seems that the system is crashing several times a day now, as
- opposed to the once per week it used to.
-
- Help.
-
- Anybody else feeling like re-installing ver. 6 of PC-Tools?
-
-
-
-
- There are 3 Replies.
-
- #: 8038 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 12:52:51
- Sb: #8033-Ver7 & Windows
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: David R Schulman 72740,2541 (X)
-
- David,
- Is that the only change you made, ie. V7 Cache? Are you running any
- other V7 programs resident (DATAMON, VDEFEND, etc. )? Are you running the
- Windows "resident" software (WNLAUNCH, WNSCHEDL, WNTSRMAN)?
-
- Regards, Paul Todd CPS Tech Support
-
- #: 8208 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:02:44
- Sb: #8033-Ver7 & Windows
- Fm: Jeffrey Marchi 72230,3523
- To: David R Schulman 72740,2541 (X)
-
- I am running V7 cache with Windows...I don't use the /Win option and I have
- not had a crash that is attributable to it. If you still have the Launcher
- enabled (in WIN.INI) DISABLE IT IMMEDIATELY. I have had numerous crashes
- (over 12) that I was able to SPECIFICALLY pin on Launcher. Once it was
- disabled the problems stopped.
-
- #: 8247 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:39:05
- Sb: #8033-Ver7 & Windows
- Fm: Scott Mottonen 70441,1741
- To: David R Schulman 72740,2541 (X)
-
- Windows crashes so frequently with PC-CACHE V7 that I've turned it off. Used
- PC-CACHE V6 for months with Windows with no problems. Have stripped the
- machine down to QEMM/PC-CACHE/Windows, but no help. UAEs within minutes of
- starting Windows. Since the problem doesn't seem to be generic, I wonder if
- it is hardware related. Only time will tell. I joined this forum looking for
- an easy answer ... guess it's back to PC-CACHE v6
-
- Scott
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8401 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 15:48:09
- Sb: #8247-Ver7 & Windows
- Fm: Jeffrey Marchi 72230,3523
- To: Scott Mottonen 70441,1741
-
- If you have not removed Launcher from your system do it immediately. I have
- found that IT causes crashes in Windows...I have no problems with PC CAche
- without Launcher. (Check the WIN.INI).
-
- #: 7996 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 09:58:37
- Sb: V7 disappointing
- Fm: Kimberly Sell 73227,3554
- To: Oliver Costich 71121,3161 (X)
-
- Hello Oliver,
-
- Thank you for contacting me. I'm sorry to hear that you're not completely
- happy with V7 of PC Tools Deluxe. I have made copies of your comments, and
- have passed them on to our R & D Dept. I've also asked our SysOp to transfer
- your message to our Tech Support Area. I do believe that you have the option
- of running the V6 interface with V7. Unfortuantely, I'm not sure how this is
- accomplished.
-
- In regards to the Anit Virus program, there are two types of updates. One is
- called a signature update. Which means whenever we are able to detect new
- viruses, we put these "signatures" up on our BBS, CompuServe, or we can FAX
- the signatures to you. Then you add these signatures to your current program.
- These signature updates are no charge.
-
- The other update that we will offer is called a quarterly update. Every
- quarter we will be coming out with a new update for the Anti Virus program
- which will be new features etc. The coupon in your box is for one free
- quarterly update. The quarterly updates will be approximately $20.00.
- Notifications will be sent out as soon as we have a quarterly update
- available.
-
- Thanks again Oliver for contacting me, I do hope this information is helpful.
- If I can be of further service, please be sure to contact me.
-
- Sincerely,
-
- Kimberly Sell
- CPS Customer Service
-
- #: 8390 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 14:14:04
- Sb: #8077-V7 disappointing
- Fm: Rich Zuris [WSI] 76702,520
- To: Robin Collins 100015,416 (X)
-
- Isn't there a way to select tiled windows in PCCONFIG and/or PCSHELL? It
- seems that I selected this option one time out of curiousity. With tiled
- windows, there are (obviously) no drop shadows. Don't know what effect this
- has on multi-layer menus, since the alternative to tiled windows is
- cascading.
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8406 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 15:50:09
- Sb: #8390-V7 disappointing
- Fm: Robin Collins 100015,416
- To: Rich Zuris [WSI] 76702,520 (X)
-
- Not sure about that. I'm still in the early days of pushing the buttons and
- seeing what happens (manuals, what are they? <g>).
-
- #: 8079 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 15:47:19
- Sb: Version 7 concerns
- Fm: Robin Collins 100015,416
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim,
-
- OK, I guess there's nothing I can do about it, though I appreciate your
- offering to send me any files which I may need. Your UK sub. does in fact have
- a BBS, but I've never managed to get a clean link to it, and can't find anyone
- in the office who will admit to _knowing_ anything about it (I waited all
- afternoon for a call back, never got one <sigh>).
-
- FYI, I have now received the V7 upgrade. I am pleasently surprised! Bear in
- mind that I only trust NU with handling my disk restructuring, use Hyperdisk
- for caching and run Back and Forth which alleviates your problems with
- Ultravision. Having said that, I find I quite like much of V7. I even managed
- to do a 25 disk backup with WNBACKUP which verified completely (this surprised
- me a lot, considering several nasty problems have been reported with it here).
-
- As I said, COMPRESS and PCCACHE won't get near my machine, problems with that
- sort of software I don't need (and anyway, SD and Hyperdisk work very well, so
- I don't see any need to change). I know CPS's and Symantec's marketing
- departments think they're in direct competition, and I suppose you are, but
- for users like me who've used the products for some time,
- NORTON = disk management
- PCTOOLS = shell and desktop utilites and backup I'll stick with this,
- even if it does cause your marketing manager apoplexy, and with that in mind
- PCT V7 looks good, _SO FAR_!!! However, why can't you and Norton agree on the
- speed of my machine. You say it's 11.2 an XT, but Norton says 15.7!
-
- Robin
-
- #: 8080 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 15:47:25
- Sb: Version 7 concerns
- Fm: Robin Collins 100015,416
- To: Michael Vario 71620,3324 (X)
-
- QEMM will run standard mode with the approrpiate patches, available in QD's
- section in PCVENB.
-
- Robin
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8018 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 11:48:40
- Sb: PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Michael Vario 71620,3324
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- And Tim, in my futher adventures in exploring PCTools, I just realized that
- you finally added prune and graft across directories!!!! as well as deleting
- branches without having to manually delete all the files therein. Thanks!!!!
- I can finally bag PRUNE off my disk. Oh and after a little creative .INI
- editing, and reinstalling MSMouse 8.0, windows is up and working A-OK. Though
- I think I'm going to have to get QEMM. Talk to you soon.
-
- -Misha
-
- #: 8078 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 15:47:00
- Sb: PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Robin Collins 100015,416
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim,
-
- I've got a problem viewing PCX files where an image in 800x600x256 mode gets
- displayed in alternating 'image' and 'blank' strips, around 100 pixels heigh.
- This was created by the Image Alchemy image processor, converting a TIFF file.
-
- Robin
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8343 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 11:02:28
- Sb: #8078-PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- To: Robin Collins 100015,416 (X)
-
- Robin,
-
- Send it to us and we'll look at it.
-
- Teresa Warsop
- CPS - Tech Support
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8408 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 15:50:25
- Sb: #8343-PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Robin Collins 100015,416
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- Teresa,
-
- I'd like to, but it's 274K! I'll try to cut it down, or else generate a
- smaller one which exhibits the same problem. Presumably you'd like it binary
- mailing?
-
- Robin
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8419 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 17:04:58
- Sb: #8408-PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- To: Robin Collins 100015,416
-
- Robin,
-
- Or on disk through the mail, depending on how quickly you would like us to
- receive it. Let me know, either way.
-
- Teresa Warsop
- CPS - Tech Support
-
- #: 8096 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 17:13:08
- Sb: PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Brad Allen 72467,1306
- To: Robert J. Smith 72007,533 (X)
-
- I agree, I don't like Windows and I don't like Tools looking like it! I don't
- like the colors, and since the Short cut keys are not available with the V7
- menu's it is also harder to use. I also agree that the color change program is
- a pain to use. I have just about decided to wipe it off the drive and put good
- 'ole v6 back where it belongs! Brad
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8226 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:45:36
- Sb: #8096-PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Robert J. Smith 72007,533
- To: Brad Allen 72467,1306 (X)
-
- I still don't like the cutesy little windows-like graphics they added to the
- screen. But I have found that V7 has grown on me. After using it for a while I
- settled on the new menus, since the V6 menus didn't really work the same the
- V6 did. I have discovered I can live without the short cut keys though I still
- find myself reaching for them sometimes out of habit.
-
- After spending a lot of frustrating time with the color setup, I managed to
- get the colors almost to something that I find bearable.
-
- Although I have had a couple of problems - such as SI and MI won't run on my
- machine when I have the EMS manager installed - I have decided to stick with
- V7. Some its features are just too good.
-
- But I do wish that CPS and all the other software houses would realize that
- they do not have to copy the look and feel of windows! If I really wanted to
- use a Mac i'd buy one.
-
- Personally I have found the program to run faster in most cases on my machine
- than V7. And I got it to fit in almost the same space as V6 by eliminating the
- programs I never use such as PCSecure, Commute and PCCache. Actually it would
- have fit in the same space if I had done away with the help files for what was
- left. So even though SI doesn't work on my machine, I decided to stick with it
- for a while.
-
- #: 8109 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 17:45:21
- Sb: PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Rich Zuris [WSI] 76702,520
- To: Jerry Rivers 71477,2663 (X)
-
- Jerry,
-
- There's an undocumented /V1 switch for PC-CACHE to prevent it from being
- disabled by Windows Standard mode. However, I recommend that you use
- extended memory for the cache, since it's faster than expanded, according to
- reports here.
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8142 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 19:32:03
- Sb: PC Tools V7 complaints
- Fm: Jerry Rivers 71477,2663
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Thanks for the reply, Tim.
-
- The benchmark for PC-CACHE is simply the time to load Windows 3.0 complete
- with a background wallpaper. I'm evaluating some other cache programs
- including the one with Norton utilities 5.0. I agree that there's no way to
- make V7's cache faster than V6 using similar technology. It was just curious
- to me that V7 is slower by several seconds on the Windows load. No big deal, I
- just won't use V7 for that.
-
- Again, the V7 menus using the V6 menu option ain't the same! I'm still stuck
- with a variety of V7 stuff I don't like. another e.g. is the F6 view menu. You
- switched from numbered options, which I memorized, to letter mnemonics which
- are illogical. For example, the best starting letters are reserved for the
- items you can choose to display like date, time, file size, etc. The ones I
- use most often are to change from name to ext to date sort. These are not
- mnemonic to me. Worse, like everything else in V7, the view select is slower
- because I must press alt-O to select. I really liked "8-A-enter" in V6. Even
- with V6 menus selected, I'm still stuck with the dumb V7 view select.
-
- The PCX files all are B & W, mostly EGA, that I got from a shareware library.
- I'll test some more that aren't from the shareware library. Maybe I can find
- something specific for you. These same PCX pictures display OK in Win Paint,
- PC Paintbrush, Paint Shop shareware, and VPIC shareware, so I suspect the
- problem is yours.
-
- I'm not sure what I want to do with V7. I haven't found anything so far that
- either a) doesn't work, b) isn't slower, or c) I don't care about (e.g. of c
- is the Windows stuff. neat, but I can do all that from a DOS shell, so why tie
- up megabytes of storage?).
-
- I appreciate the extensive work CPS must have done to upgrade this software,
- but for me, its for naught. I use utilities to speed my work, but V7 just
- slows me down and fills up more of my hard disk. A step backwards in my view.
-
- Thanks for listening, even though there's not much you can do for me.
-
- -- Jerry
-
- #: 8081 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 15:47:33
- Sb: PCTools 7.0 - boo!
- Fm: Robin Collins 100015,416
- To: Terry Eisenberg 76577,21
-
- Terry,
-
- My feeling is that CPS took the easy way out and forced an install of _every_
- tool which PC Shell uses.
-
- IMHO they would have produced a better product by allowing _us_ to install the
- bits we want, and making PC Shell find out what we'd selected and 'graying
- out' those menu options which would not be available.
-
- Like you, there's a load of stuff I don't need, but manually delting the bits
- and pieces that aren't wanted is getting to be a real pain.
-
- Robin
-
- #: 8447 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 19:34:47
- Sb: PCTools 7.0 - boo!
- Fm: Ben Charron 72540,1155
- To: Terry Eisenberg 76577,21
-
- Terry,
-
- Like you, I have been using PCTools for a long time. I remember the good
- ol'days when it came on one floppy! Now it's really big! I think the
- product has grown perhaps too much - trying to include everything and a
- couple of kitchen sinks. V 7.0 may be big but at least they have done
- something I find GREAT - they have included a lot of standalone modules you
- can use from the DOS prompt.
-
- I was horrified by the size when I installed (only 8MB left). When I
- finished and checked it out, I decided to remove PCSHELL and DESKTOP. With
- MS-DOS 5.0 I use the DOSSHELL and have a group for utilities where I can
- invoke the standalone modules like DM, FF, UNDELETE, UNFORMAT, FORMAT,
- CPBACKUP, COMPRESS, and DISKFIX. This reduces the PCTOOLS directory to a
- reasonable size and still gives me what I want. The DOS 5.0 shell is not
- bad at all and has a good app launcher and file manager which I use instead
- of PCSHELL. I use DM for prune & graft and deleting a directory tree with
- all files. I was a bit disappointed do see all the viewers in a library
- because now I can't delete the ones I never use. Paring down V 7.0 can be a
- bit tricky but one of the manuals has a list of utilities and the files it
- needs to have to work properly.
-
- Regards,
- ...Ben
-
-
- #: 8090 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 16:23:21
- Sb: Ver 7 -slow ,slow!
- Fm: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747
- To: anyone
-
- I have just finished reading the 250+/- comments on ver 7.0 and I hate to give
- you guys any more crap but ......why is it so slow? It used to be so easy to
- edit a file, prune/delete directories..... now you have to hit about 10
- million keys to do anything and when you do it wouyld appear that the
- different programs are not in r ram so pct has to go to the disk and get it. i
- use a 25mhz 386- i would hate to see it on an XT. Good luck Arch Willingham
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8159 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 20:07:03
- Sb: #8090-Ver 7 -slow ,slow!
- Fm: Stephan Brocoum 76056,1275
- To: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747 (X)
-
- Arch:
- I have an XT (Tandy 1000SX), and I find ver 7 to be much slower on my machine
- than ver 6. I'm almost tempted to reinstall ver 6.
-
- Steve
-
- #: 8450 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 19:35:08
- Sb: #8090-Ver 7 -slow ,slow!
- Fm: Ben Charron 72540,1155
- To: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747 (X)
-
- Arch,
-
- Can't comment on editing since I don't use PCSHELL, but prune & graft works
- pretty quick using the standalone DM utility.
-
- Regards,
-
- ...Ben
-
-
- #: 7950 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 01:39:10
- Sb: Ultarvision Conflict
- Fm: Juergen Wondzinski -FRG- 100015,676
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- Hi Teresa,
-
- Please put me on the UltraVision's list too!
- --------------------------------------------
-
- I had another problem with DISKFIX:
- I am running a Future Domain SCSI Controller with a Quantum and a Maxtor SCSI
- disk attached. Regarding the Note on page 32 in DataRecovery, I just played
- around (all the new features...<g>) and choosed "Revitalize" and ran the
- "System Integrity Test". When DF tested the "Controller Ram", it displayed a
- message similar ".. STOP COMMAND ERROR" in the Completion Status window, the
- drive light remained on; after waiting about 2 minutes with no further action
- (the bar stayed at 57%), I did a three finger salute... The Drive didn't wake
- up.... I did a Cold boot with a DOS-diskette, got an invalid drive when
- entering to C:.... <blush!> The only solution was a real power off and
- startup again. Thanks God, nothing went to never-never land... <sigh>
-
- You should check your testing for SCSI's sometime....
- Servus
- wOOdy
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8469 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 20:11:10
- Sb: #7950-Ultarvision Conflict
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Juergen Wondzinski -FRG- 100015,676 (X)
-
- Juergen,
-
- We have tested DiskFix on SCSI drives, and there shouldn't be any problem. Was
- the message "Invalid COMMAND.COM" or something similar to that, or was it
- something else? Also, if you boot the system with no AUTOEXEC.BAT and a
- minimal CONFIG.SYS file, do you have the same or similar results?
-
- Thank you, Tim Elmer CPS Tech Support
-
- #: 8344 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 11:16:40
- Sb: Ultarvision Conflict
- Fm: Craig Hallett 71510,75
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
-
- Teresa-
-
- Please add me to the Ultravision fix list.
-
- Also I have a problem with my MS mouse in some programs. When running in 50
- line mode on my VGA the mouse won't go past the 25th line in Find Find and
- Anti-Virus programs. Maybe others - haven't tried them all yet. I am
- running in character mode cause of the UV problem.
-
- Thanks - Craig...
-
-
- #: 7891 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 21:51:44
- Sb: cpbackup7
- Fm: Dorr Altizer (TrainNet) 76702,402
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Teresa has already put my 'short-cut keys, please' on the R&D list in the
- other half of this mini-thread, Tim. I appreciate yer support, as one of
- favorite TV heros keeps saying. <g>
-
- Dorr
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8308 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 03:18:57
- Sb: #7891-cpbackup7
- Fm: Chris Fox 70154,153
- To: Dorr Altizer (TrainNet) 76702,402
-
- I have seen wierd problems with BACKUP. Under Windows. (1) After a setup
- with windows files only there was no pctools\system subdir and therefore no
- DLLs, and PCBACKUP aborted with "can't find WNFB.DLL". Actually it didn't
- abort, it reported completion.
-
- When I tried it after a full install I got "Central Point VFB.386 not found!"
- regardless of how many places I put it. Windows, windows\system, pctools,
- pctools\system... appears to be a path error. Or worse.
-
- Good news is, on the mail version the shortcut keys are back.
-
- ChrisFox, SDE
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8383 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 14:13:14
- Sb: #8308-cpbackup7
- Fm: Rich Zuris [WSI] 76702,520
- To: Chris Fox 70154,153
-
- Have you tried specifying a path to the .386 files in SYSTEM.INI. For
- example, I used "device=c:\pctools\system\vfd.386" and similarly for
- VDMAD.386 and it worked fine. But if you have Windows 3.00a rather than
- 3.00, you supposedly don't need the .386 files anyway. . . .
-
- #: 8394 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 14:54:01
- Sb: #8308-cpbackup7
- Fm: Nick Pavlina 71520,3654
- To: Chris Fox 70154,153
-
- Chris:
- I have experienced the second problem you describe...VFD.386 not found. I
- think it's a V7 INSTALL problem. Page 134 of the Windows Utility manual says
- that INSTALL should update "the SYSTEM.INI file... with the new VFD.386
- ....drivers". This did not appear to happen with my INSTALL. So far, I have
- not been able to determine how SYSTEM.INI was supposed to be modified, and my
- only attempt to manually modify caused WINDOWS to barf. So...if anyone out
- there has the details on SYSTEM.INI modification for CPBACKUP DMA drivers,
- send them along. (By the way, INSTALL also failed to update PROGMAN.GRP or
- back it up in PROGMAN.SAV as stated in the manuals. I had to add the PC TOOLS
- group to PROGMAN manually. Further confirmation of my belief that V7 Windows
- INSTALL is broke).
-
- Nick Pavlina...PCTOOLS faithful since V4
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8426 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 17:44:01
- Sb: #8394-cpbackup7
- Fm: Bob Siegel 71621,3452
- To: Nick Pavlina 71520,3654
-
- You should have two statements in the drivers section of your SYSTEM.INI:
-
- device=VDMAD.386
- device=VFD.386
-
- (See page 118 of "Getting Started" book.)
-
- Good luck!
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8480 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 20:27:57
- Sb: #8426-cpbackup7
- Fm: Denys Howard 74017,760
- To: Bob Siegel 71621,3452
-
- Note, too, that you will most likely have to modify SYSTEM.INI yourself --
- it's a task that V7 Install supposedly took care of, but certainly failed to
- do for me and many, many others. Once I made these two changes, my WinBackup
- finally worked, but I have not yet recovered sufficient trust in this product
- to carry out an actual backup with it.
-
- #: 8268 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 00:40:03
- Sb: cpbackup7
- Fm: Jacques Laufer 73777,471
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim,
-
- Here is another vote for putting the short-cut keys back in the V7 menus.
- I'm at a loss to understand why they were taken out!?!
-
- >> Jack <<
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8421 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 17:10:51
- Sb: #8268-cpbackup7
- Fm: Walter Worland (UK) 100015,2175
- To: Jacques Laufer 73777,471
-
- Hi,
- The UK version that I received IS version 7.01 and HAS the short cut
- keys thank goodness. No problems with it as yet though.
- Cheers Walter (UK)
-
- #: 8307 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 03:15:01
- Sb: cpbackup7
- Fm: Chris Fox 70154,153
- To: Dorr Altizer (TrainNet) 76702,402
-
- I just got my upgrade in the mail and the shortcut keys are back. I missed
- them..but there are other problems! In the setup and in backup!
-
- #: 8017 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 11:37:56
- Sb: Well I'm not alone!
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: Colin Whipple 70347,2314 (X)
-
- Colin,
- I am responding for Teresa since other duties prevent her from
- responding to you directly.
- Have you done a surface analysis to insure that PC Shell is sitting on
- a good portion of the hard drive? Use Diskfix to do this.
- Is it only PC Shell that is not working? If so, do you have Expanded memory
- on that system? If you do, try disabling it to see if
- a paging error is occurring.
- Be sure you have a DOS environment variable that points to the PC
- Tools Data directory. You should have a line like this in your A
- UTOEXEC.BAT file:
-
- SET PCTOOLS=C:\PCTOOLS\DATA
-
- And of course we need to be in your path.
- If none of the above helps, EMAIL me your phone number so I can have
- someone call you and try to isolate the problem in "real time"
- .
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8075 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 15:37:18
- Sb: #8017-Well I'm not alone!
- Fm: Tom Price 75300,620
- To: Paul Todd 70474,3351 (X)
-
- Paul,
- My situation is similar but probably not the same as Colin's. PCSHELL V7
- won't work on my Tandy 1000A. I'm reasonably sure that PCSHELL is running but
- the CGA display is blank - no video at all. I can exit back to DOS with either
- F3 or ESC followed by ENTER, which is what leads me to believe that PCSHELL is
- functioning. All of the other stand-alone PCT7 programs run flawlessly and the
- video display conforms to whatever parameters I've selected with PCCONFIG.
- I've already tried all the things you suggested to Colin, as well as those
- suggested by Kristin Haywood and Tim Elmer over the past few days and a few
- ideas of my own. These include:
- [1] doing a complete surface analysis with DISKFIX - no errors of any kind
- [2] Doing a complete COMPRESS
- [3] re-installing PCT7 from scratch.
- [4] installing PCSHELL.EXE and PCSHELL.OVL in a separate directory.
- [5] Trying every switch listed when I type PCSHELL /VIDEO
- [6] Trying TANDYFIX.EXE that came with PCT7
- [7] Making sure of the SET PCTOOLS=C:\PCTOOLS\DATA environment variable.
- [8] Running the Tandy 1000A with and without the 8mHz 286-Express card.
- [9] Booting clean with no CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files. I've tried
- this from both HD and floppy.
- .....
- None of these has made any difference whatever. My hardware is a Tandy 1000A
- HD (10mb MFM HD), 640K RAM, Tandy 286-Express card, Phoenix BIOS version
- 01.01.00, both 5.25" and 3.5" floppy drives (360K and 720K) and I'm running
- MS-DOS 5.0. No extended/expanded memory of any kind. Only PCSHELL is not
- working. All the rest of PCT7 and DOS 5.0 are working normally. All of PCTools
- V6, including PCSHELL worked fine and I may have to go back to it if we can't
- get this resolved.
- Thanks,
- Tom
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8354 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 11:55:15
- Sb: #8075-Well I'm not alone!
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: Tom Price 75300,620 (X)
-
- Tom,
- We've are getting several reports like yours on the Tandy 1000A.
- Clearly we have a video conflict on that machine. I will put a problem report
- in for you and as soon as the conflict is resolved you will be contacted. I
- appreciate all the effort you took to get the program working on your machine.
- I am sorry for the inconvenience.
- Just a piece of tech data in case your wondering. All but two of the
- PC Tools programs use a shared Video library, but as you can probably guess,
- PC Shell doesn't. That's why the other programs worked ok. It would be
- interesting to see if Desktop runs ok, because it is the other program that
- does not use the video library.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Paul Todd
-
- CPS Tech Support
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8424 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 17:34:57
- Sb: #8354-Well I'm not alone!
- Fm: Tom Price 75300,620
- To: Paul Todd 70474,3351
-
- Paul,
- Thanks much for the response. I'll look forward to getting this resolved. I
- did try DESKTOP, by the way, and it functions perfectly, just like everything
- else with the exception of PCSHELL. Oh well, while I'm waiting for PCSHELL to
- get fixed, I still have DOSSHELL from MS-DOS 5.0 to use, which does many of
- the same things as PCSHELL, but not quite as easily.
- regards,
- Tom
-
- #: 8180 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 20:55:14
- Sb: #8017-Well I'm not alone!
- Fm: Colin Whipple 70347,2314
- To: Paul Todd 70474,3351 (X)
-
- Thanks for responding.
-
- I deleted all the V.7 directories and reinstalled the program from scratch (I
- had previously tried reinstalling over the previous attempt with no success).
-
- The program now comes up and seems to function. It tends to blow up when QEMM
- is loaded, so I run it without QEMM.
-
- Colin
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8355 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 11:57:18
- Sb: #8180-Well I'm not alone!
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: Colin Whipple 70347,2314 (X)
-
- Colin,
- If deleting the whole directory and re-installing worked, my guess is
- that a temporary file (.THM, .IMG, etc.) was corrupt causing the problems. If
- those files exist, Install does not delete them.
- As far as QEMM problems go, quite often it is a problem in expanded
- memory emulation. Try NOEMS on the line in your CONFIG.SYS that loads QEMM. If
- the problem goes away, the next step is to try different locations for the
- Expanded memory page frame.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Paul Todd
-
- CPS Tech Support
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8498 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 21:33:11
- Sb: #8355-Well I'm not alone!
- Fm: Colin Whipple 70347,2314
- To: Paul Todd 70474,3351
-
- Thanks, I will try the NOEMS option.
-
- Colin
-
- #: 7987 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 09:37:27
- Sb: P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Jeffrey Marchi 72230,3523 (X)
-
- Jeffrey,
-
- I'm sorry to read that you find CP Launcher "very buggy". If you could provide
- a specific set of steps that will lead to a UAE, I will be very glad to file a
- report with R&D so that we can look into the matter. If it is easier, we can
- have someone call you, or can do this via the Forum or CompuServe Mail.
- Whatever your preference is, we are eager to be of whatever assistance we can.
-
- Regarding our Beta testers, we try to choose them based on a variety of
- knowledge levels and hardware/software configurations. The fact that your
- friend is more of a novice user merely indicates that we want to assure that
- all levels, from novice to expert, test the product.
-
- If I can be of further assistance, please don't fail to let me know.
-
- Regards, Tim Elmer CPS Tech Support
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8064 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 14:31:22
- Sb: #7987-P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Jeffrey Marchi 72230,3523
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- I have already reported the Launcher problems and it is being worked on. It is
- so bugggy I am sure you will see LOTS more people complain...once they realize
- Launcher is causing problems....it is hard to narrow these things down
- sometimes....I have PINNED it down.
-
- #: 7988 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 09:37:40
- Sb: P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Matthew Ackerman 76011,2465 (X)
-
- Matthew,
-
- In your message you indicate that you do not recommend the product for your
- users, but I don't see any specific problem. In what program or programs are
- you having trouble, and in what circumstances do the programs occur? If you
- can let me know where you are running into the problems, I can either help
- clear up any misunderstanding, or report actual problems to R&D for a
- resolution. Given the facts, though, I can't do a lot on either front.
-
- If you or anyone here is having a problem with the software, there is a file
- consisting of the Tech Support Checklist from the documentation. In order to
- fully troubleshoot any problems we get we need the kinds of information that
- the checklist calls for. If you will download the file and provide the
- information by CIS Mail, FAX, mail, or phone, we are anxious to assist you or
- any other of our users.
-
- Thank you, Tim Elmer CPS Tech Support
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8251 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:45:40
- Sb: #7988-P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Matthew Ackerman 76011,2465
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim,
- Here is a partial list (all called in to your so called "TECHNICAL SUPPORT
- Phone number".
-
- 1) FILE VIEW LOCKS UP MY PC CONTINUOSLY!
- 2) SI REPORTS INCORRECT INFORMATION. (NORTON 5.0 reports correctly)
- 3) PC-CACHE is ERRATIC THE /OFF switch does not allways take.
- 4) CP-BACKUP HUNG UP on a 32 meg partition with only 2 meg free.
- 5) COMPRESS DID THE SAME!
-
- I reported these and other things to your so called support line. with no
- results. That cost me over $22 (Operator supplied Time and Charges) and still
- all they could suggest was I try playing arround until they could come up with
- something. TOTALLY UNSATISFACTORY!!!!
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8351 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 11:45:19
- Sb: #8251-P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- To: Matthew Ackerman 76011,2465
-
- Matthew,
-
- I talked with two of the people in Technical Support staff that you have
- talked with (Michelle Ballew for about 2 hours and Doug Whitney for an
- additional 45 minutes). Doug said you uploaded additional information to our
- BBS yesterday. He will be in contact with you.
-
- Teresa Warsop
- CPS - Tech Support
-
- #: 8473 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 20:11:54
- Sb: #8251-P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Matthew Ackerman 76011,2465
-
- Matthew,
-
- Thanks for giving some instances where you are having difficulties. If you've
- reported the problems I'm sure that whomever you spoke with forwarded a report
- to R&D and we'll let you know when we have a resolution. If I am to help you,
- also, I'll need more information.
-
- >> 1) FILE VIEW LOCKS MY PC CONTINUOSLY! << Are you running View from the
- command line, from PC Shell, from Windows, or some other place. Also, at what
- point does it lock?
-
- >> 2) SI REPORTS INCORRECT INFORMATION. << SI puts out a many-paged report.
- Which information is incorrect, and what should be there instead?
-
- >> 3) PC-CACHE is ERRATIC THE /OFF switch does not allways take. << It's not
- clear which "/OFF" parameter you mean, the /WRITE=OFF or the /OFF to turn off
- the cache but leave it in memory. Which did you mean, and in which
- circumstances does it not work?
-
- >> 4) CP-BACKUP HUNG UP on a 32 meg partition with only 2 meg free.<< >> 5)
- COMPRESS DID THE SAME!<< Again, at what point do the hang ups occur, and where
- are you running the programs from? Also, what are the contents of the
- AUTOEXEC.BAT & CONFIG.SYS files when any of the above occur?
-
- Thank you, Tim Elmer CPS Tech Support
-
- #: 8112 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 17:45:45
- Sb: P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Rich Zuris [WSI] 76702,520
- To: Chris Monro 76236,472 (X)
-
- Hi Chris,
-
- I don't think it's fair to say that CPS "hasn't done anything" to address
- the many complaints here. New releases cannot be completed and release
- overnight, as I'm sure you're aware. I'm confident that the CPS Tech
- Support Reps are dutifully passing on the information collected here to the
- programmers, who are dutifully working on bug fixes. But the product has
- only been publicly available for a month, approximately, which is too short
- a time to re-release the product. Yet, CPS has already contradicted that
- statement, because they have already released a maintenance version, the one
- that shipped to most upgraders, the 6/9/91 version. I think that represents
- good faith on the part of CPS to fix broken software.
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8235 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:07:02
- Sb: #8112-P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Chris Monro 76236,472
- To: Rich Zuris [WSI] 76702,520 (X)
-
- Rich,
-
- You point is well taken, and I was not aware of the maintinece
- release. It still however does not explain the poor first release. As a long
- time customer and advocate of CPS and it's products, I want to know why this
- happened. Moreover, for those users who do not access CIS, how would they know
- of the info you just relayed to me? I have searched in vain to find articles
- in many of the trade mags reguarding this subject. I haven't yet gotten
- through to CPS to talk to someone.
-
- Chris Monro
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8262 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 00:31:37
- Sb: #8235-P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Gordon McComb 73155,353
- To: Chris Monro 76236,472 (X)
-
- Chris, Just to let you know: The 6/9/91 shipment (7.01) was _not_ a
- maintenance release. It's a poor application of the word to suggest
- otherwise. Most of the changes were minor, or for interface purposes (like
- adding the function key choices to PC Shell). A true maintenance release
- corrects errors and integrates enhancements made by users (not beta testers).
- I don't think most people would have known the difference in the versions -- I
- certainly didn't (as far as I know the boxes aren't marked) -but it was caught
- here by a few eagle-eyed persons as well as by a reporter for AP. I'm not
- saying CPS was trying to pull a fast one, but the original 7.00 was not out
- long enough to have received ANY bug reports or enhancement requests to be
- integrated by June 9. I'm sure the 7.01 master was already finalized before
- most people got their 7.00 package.
-
- I might note that probably most of the people who got an update shipped to
- them received the 7.01 "maintenance" release. According to statements made
- here, the 7.00 copies went directly to dealer's shelves. The incidence of bug
- reports is about the same for both.
-
- -- Gordon
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8248 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:39:15
- Sb: P.C. Tools Version 7
- Fm: Matthew Ackerman 76011,2465
- To: Chris Monro 76236,472 (X)
-
- The FIrm I work for (BCR aka BELL COMMUNICATION RESEARCH) suggests the SOE
- (Standard Opperating Environments) used by the Seven Regional Phone Companies
- and their Bell Operating Companies. I'd say the result of a good
- recomondation internally in BCR alone could net 400+ orders, and externally
- (one package in example (FOXBASE) sold 2000+ copies on our recomondation.
- Then their is my Private consulting (100+ customers). All now have been
- notified that I have encountered "problems" and am still waiting C.P.S.'s
- response.
-
- #: 8489 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 20:48:16
- Sb: PCT Buggs & Sugg
- Fm: Mike McCollister 72117,1227
- To: Sysop
-
- I have a long list of bugs and suggestions for PCTV7. Who should I send this
- to and what other info should I include?
-
- Thanks, Mike
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 7936 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 00:37:11
- Sb: bugs in PCTools v7.0
- Fm: Steve Konicki 71640,3311
- To: Douglas Cohn 76526,2065 (X)
-
-
- Central Point Software Technical Support C/O Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- (continued) -- Choosing to edit a document in PCShell now requires the loading
- of DeskTop, a utility I find so useless I always have killed it off as s d
- from PCShell. -- Since desktop is loaded into memory already when I call it as
- the editor from PCShell, why can't I use the spell-checker? -- Since the
- Desktop editor is a separate module from PCShell, is it possible for me to
- configure PCShell to call another editor not so lar -- I cannot figure out how
- to get Desktop's telecomm module to communicate with my Hayes Ultra 9600. I
- have made an attempt at reading the two-node PCBoard BBS and have set up
- numerous comm programs. -- I am trying to take these utilities a few at a
- time, and may not have found more than a small number of the bugs. -- Given
- that, I wish now to request ALL bug fixes, minor rewrites, silent releases,
- reconfigurations, redesigns, and any and all other new --I would prefer not
- having to hear fourth hand from someone who heard from someone about new code
- and then have to plead for it. I want to --I am concerned about this issue
- because of some of the vague answers CPS has given on how bug-fixes will be
- distributed. If you were a Ce lso.
-
- A/list
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 7898 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 22:31:53
- Sb: PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Ron D. Troy 76064,252
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim, let me repeat, hopefully in better words, a question I've tried more then
- once;
-
- Is there some way to install 7 in a way to only install what one wants of it;
- shell, minimum viewers, backup, mirror, fix and not much more? In a way to
- minimize disk space usage and conventional ram usage? Or are we condemned to
- try to install most of it and then to try and pick out the individual files we
- don't want? Or even worse, be forced to keep stuff we don't want but is
- required for unknown reasons?
-
- Ron
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 7923 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 00:04:54
- Sb: #7898-PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Sinclair Cohen 74065,345
- To: Ron D. Troy 76064,252 (X)
-
- I've been able to de-install version 7 OK, and just use its Windows' Backup
- and both Undeletes, SI, Compress, Format, and that's about it. I installed
- version 6 PC Shell allright, and am down to just one lousy "bug".
- Using backup i can get to around diskette #15 before i get an UAE. I've tried
- everything on my computer -- I'm certain it's the fault of Tools 7.0 Backup.
- Version 7.0 ain't such a good deal. In this case more isn't always better.
- Version 6 is a lot faster and easier to use -- plus it works!!
-
- Good luck.
-
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8190 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 21:20:36
- Sb: #7923-PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Ron D. Troy 76064,252
- To: Sinclair Cohen 74065,345 (X)
-
- While I won't use Windows backup (not having or wanting windows), do you think
- the V7 regular PCBackup is safe?
-
- I know V6 works, but ...
-
- Ron
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8243 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:24:55
- Sb: #8190-PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Sinclair Cohen 74065,345
- To: Ron D. Troy 76064,252 (X)
-
- Yea, that worked OK for me. I'm pretty much tied to Windows, since I use Corel
- Draw, Pagemaker 4.0, Excel, etc. the PC Tools 7.0 backup seems to be real
- simple to operate, but I've read other messages here regarding problems. My
- computer is set up perfectly - no TSRs, just Microsoft devices drivers. I'm
- sure the bug lies with Central Point Software.
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8455 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 19:42:12
- Sb: #8243-PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Ron D. Troy 76064,252
- To: Sinclair Cohen 74065,345 (X)
-
- I'm thinking I should just stick to V6.
-
- Ron
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8546 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 22:45:56
- Sb: #8455-PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Sinclair Cohen 74065,345
- To: Ron D. Troy 76064,252 (X)
-
- That's what I'm doing, except for the new Compress and Format and Undelete and
- Windows' Backup if i can get it to work.
-
- #: 8451 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 19:35:16
- Sb: #7923-PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Ben Charron 72540,1155
- To: Sinclair Cohen 74065,345 (X)
-
- Sinclair,
-
- I have had the same backup problem you had but with v 6 (I haven't tried a
- big backup yet with 7). I took out SMARTDRV.SYS from the config.sys file and
- bingo, no problem. I have found that SMARTDRV.SYS can cause probs with other
- products as well. It's the first thing I take out now when I have probs. I
- have just started using PC-CACHE v 7 to see if this clears up. So far no
- probs.
-
- Regards,
-
- ...Ben
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8547 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 22:47:51
- Sb: #8451-PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Sinclair Cohen 74065,345
- To: Ben Charron 72540,1155
-
- Thanks for the tip. I'll try removing Smartdrv to see if problems clear up. I
- tried to use the new PC-CACHE, but couldn't get it to "Loadhigh" from
- Autoexec.bat file under DOS 5.0, and went back to Smartdrv.sys.
-
- #: 7899 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 22:31:59
- Sb: PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Ron D. Troy 76064,252
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- And one other question you guys don't seem to want to answer; can I install
- just v7's backup and mirror?
-
- Ron
-
- #: 8009 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 10:38:48
- Sb: PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Roy J. Gromlich 73627,262
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim:
- Thanks for the reply. Please refer to my most recent reply to Kristen.
-
- The problem is with SWAPSH only --- even if I open PCShell by itself, then
- launch an application from [F10], the same thing happens. For some reason
- SWAPSH doesn't seem to care if there is already a PCSHELL.THM file there when
- it is invoked ---- it simply write a NEW PCSHELL.THM over the one that is
- already there.
-
- The weird thing is that SWAPDT does it correctly, as I said ---- if it finds a
- copy of DESKTOP.THM it creates a new image file called DESKTOQ.THM ---- but
- SWAPSH doesn't.
-
- Maybe I have a trashed copy of SWAPSH.COM, but that seems rather unlikely,
- since everything else seems to be OK.
-
- Just to make sure --- DESKTOP works correctly --- its PCSHELL which has the
- problem and overwrites its own image file.
-
- Thanks --- Roy
-
- #: 8244 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:33:42
- Sb: PCT V7 swapping problem
- Fm: Matthew Ackerman 76011,2465
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- Tim,
- I am Quoting your Companies so called "Technical Support" representative
- that answers when I call the Technical Support Phone number on the back of one
- of those books you call a manual. One of you (CPS Tech Support) is obviously
- wrong, since there is a large difference between 750k and 2 Meg. Also I had
- NO PCTOOLS other than PC-CACHE with /SIZEXP=256k parm active. At the C\>
- prompt I typed PCSHELL. Then selected the Config.sys (clicked my mouse on it)
- and then tried to select VIEW .. FILE / VIEWER ... System locked. Tried same
- and Quick View (after using the reset button .. ALT-CNTL-DEL would not even
- work) and got the same thing... A LOCKUPPED SYSTEM! This problem is consitant
- and YOUR REP SAID I NEEDED 2 MEG on my E: drive freed. I did so but STILL
- CANNOT USE THE FILE VIEW.
-
- ALSO I HAVE A 1 MEG SVGA CARD... SI REPORTS 256K... AND DO NOT EVEN SUGGEST
- THAT THAT IS CORRECT as 10 other PROGRAMS REPORT my 1 MEG CORRECTLY!
-
- I could list the other problems with this software, but many of the people
- here are already reporting them to you.
-
- #: 8264 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 00:32:02
- Sb: Return Authorization
- Fm: Jeff Martin 72770,520
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173 (X)
-
- I left you two messages, both of which were marked as read. Neither were
- replied to. There are several problems I have had with PCT 7.0. The compress
- seems much slower and doen't allow CTRL <drive letter> to choose drives. It
- requires several key strokes to change drives. I prefer to do a full optimize
- everytime I run it, but I can't seem to get it to default to full. If I
- change drives I have to choose full again each time. PC-Cache is slower than
- smartdrive if I don't choose write through. I get a "modem received error"
- from commute and I see nothing in the manual to explain what the cause could
- be. If I load the fax TSR my screen blanks out several times a day and I have
- to reboot in order to continue.
-
- I would prefer to keep the package because I think it could be a great set of
- programs. I am concerned that I will have to purchase several maintainance
- releases before I get a working copy. I don't want to have to wait until I
- have a problem before I get a find out about a problem. What is CP stand on
- bug fixes. Will I be notified of updated utilities? Will have to purchase
- each fix? I just have th feeling that 7.0 wasn't ready for release and should
- have been better tested. JM
-
- #: 8465 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 20:10:34
- Sb: Return Authorization
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Jeff Martin 72770,520 (X)
-
- To anyone,
-
- If, in the regretable event, you decide that the Version 7 update is not
- appropriate to your needs and you got the product directly from Central Point
- Software, you can leave a message for Kim Sell in Section 6 (Customer
- Service). Just let her know that you would like to return the package and ask
- what is required of you. If you have purchased the programs from a dealer, you
- will need to go through that vendor in order to get a refund.
-
- Thank you, Tim Elmer CPS Tech Support
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8551 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 23:02:35
- Sb: #8465-Return Authorization
- Fm: Jeff Martin 72770,520
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
-
- I have left you 4 messages now about my problems with PCT 7.0 you have yet to
- offer any assistance. Why haven't you responded to them? Am I typing to a
- real person or is this a recording? I know you are VERY busy and I wouldn't
- want you job for anything. Please give me some answers/suggestions. I also
- would like to know what CP's policy is on notification of bug fixes. Will we
- be required to purchase them? JM
-
- #: 8380 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 13:56:57
- Sb: Reported Bug list??
- Fm: Craig P Brady 73670,257
- To: Sysop - CPS Support
-
- Is there, or could there be, a list of the reported issues/bugs/problems with
- V7? It would appear that such a list, with how-to's on fix's (if they exist)
- would be useful to the user community and to your own staff (they might not
- have to answer the same question 6000 times!)
-
- Best wishes....
-
- Craig
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8488 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 20:46:34
- Sb: #8380-Reported Bug list??
- Fm: Mike McCollister 72117,1227
- To: Craig P Brady 73670,257
-
- I second that suggestion.
-
- Mike
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8531 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 22:22:12
- Sb: #8488-Reported Bug list??
- Fm: Michael Cohen 76326,2535
- To: Mike McCollister 72117,1227
-
- I third that suggestion. I have decided to deinstall PC Tools 7.0 until the
- dust settles. CPS compares themselves to Microsoft but their testing program
- did not even come close to MS testing of DOS 5.0.
-
- #: 8554 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 23:16:52
- Sb: #8488-Reported Bug list??
- Fm: Gregory Urbiel 74166,1663
- To: Mike McCollister 72117,1227
-
- Please! Wonderful idea!
-
- #: 8084 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 15:59:37
- Sb: Another problem...
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: 76704,71 (X)
-
- Mickey,
- I'm stepping in for Kristin while she's on vacation and I read your
- posting about FF and DESQVIEW. I've tried it on a couple of systems without
- problems. When you open a DOS box, try doing a SET command and also MI to see
- just what we're working with. If nothing obvious shows up, the next step in
- troubleshooting is to try to re-create it. You probably don't want to do
- that, but if you're willing, and if it happens again, I'll take a report for
- you so we can get R & D working on whatever is in conflict there.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Paul Todd
-
- CPS Tech Support
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8271 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 00:40:35
- Sb: #8084-Another problem...
- Fm: Mickey Applebaum-NetWire 76704,71
- To: Paul Todd 70474,3351 (X)
-
- Paul..
-
- I believe (as I stated to Kristin last week) that the problem wasn't with FF,
- but rather the PC-CACHE and DesqView with DOS 3.3 and the SpeedStor disk
- driver to allow for a larger than 32 meg DOS partition with DOS 3.30, which is
- why she suggested the /V1 option.. But I would REALLY like to know what it
- does... It isn't documented anywhere.
-
- Since rebuilding the disk with DOS 5 there hasn't been any problem...
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8356 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 12:02:08
- Sb: #8271-Another problem...
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: Mickey Applebaum-NetWire 76704,71 (X)
-
- Mickey,
- The /V1 parameter switches the batch transfers off and allows single
- sector transfers only. The reason this was added was to track down a problem
- when using a cache larger than 300k in Expanded and running Windows.
- Obviously this will slow cache down quite a bit, so it's not the recommended
- solution. I would use Extended if at all possible. Just in case your
- wondering, (because I was), even though PC Cache can sense that your running
- Windows, it can't change the type of transfers like that "on the fly", hence
- we have to load it with that parameter.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Paul Todd
-
- CPS Tech Support
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8573 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 00:18:17
- Sb: #8356-Another problem...
- Fm: Mickey Applebaum-NetWire 76704,71
- To: Paul Todd 70474,3351
-
- But I am not running WINDOWS... I am running DesqView.. which is NOT the same
- thing
-
- #: 8491 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 21:05:44
- Sb: PCFORMAT BOMBS
- Fm: MICHAEL MEMPHIS 71660,1036
- To: ALL
-
- I'm amazed! Don't tell me I'm the only one whose system hangs when running
- PCFORMAT v7. When I run it from PCSHELL I get garbage o
- n the screen... When I invoke it from the command line I get blackness.
- I'm running DOS 5 and that may be the problem. When I run PCFORMAT v6 I now
- get the message WRONG DOS -- and it kicks me back to a
- C: prompt...
- Does anybody have a fix?Thanks,
-
- MICHAEL
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8578 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 00:24:59
- Sb: #8491-PCFORMAT BOMBS
- Fm: Ron D. Troy 76064,252
- To: MICHAEL MEMPHIS 71660,1036
-
- I believe that it is a known bug that you can't run pcformat v6 with dos 5,
- but that the new dos format is a much improved format so use it instead. As
- to pcformat 7, ...
-
- Ron
-
- #: 8524 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 22:14:57
- Sb: PCCACHE vs. SMARTDRV
- Fm: Lee M. Wetzler 70471,2300
- To: SYSOPS
-
- First, I have had minimal problems with v7 but i decided not to load PCSHELL
- and DESKTOP since it takes up 1.5 mb and DOSSHELL on DOS 5.0 is excellent. If
- you could give me any reasons to load it otherwise I would consider it. I use
- Windows almost exclusively on my 386/25 clone with 4 meg RAM. I run some DOS
- programs out of it. I have not had any problems with backup, undelete or
- launcher. The main question I have is the comparison of PCCACHE and SMARTDRV.
- I use SMARTDRV now since DOS handles it well. Objectively, is there any
- advantages to using PCCACHE and if there are could you explain them to me.
- Thanks Lee/NYC
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8570 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 00:16:22
- Sb: #8524-PCCACHE vs. SMARTDRV
- Fm: Jim Morrow 74415,253
- To: Lee M. Wetzler 70471,2300
-
- I can tell you their is no contest between Smartdrv and Pc-cache. Smartdrv is
- 5 or 10 times faster and causes no conflicts I have ever heard about.
-
- jrm
-
- #: 8585 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 00:45:42
- Sb: #8524-PCCACHE vs. SMARTDRV
- Fm: Kevin Tyrrell 73700,3346
- To: Lee M. Wetzler 70471,2300
-
- First PCShell is far superior to dosshell as it does ALOT more stuff! I use
- windows 95% of the time but I always use PCShell for file/directory managment.
- It works flawlessly('cept for the graphics mouse problem!) and is always on
- hand from CPLaunch. As for Smartdrive vs PC-Cache...Smartdrive does not behave
- well when using Compress and PC-Cache works fine. I found that PC-Cache is a
- little faster also(but just a little). Read the section on PC-Cache
- installation carefully cause it has to be in the right place in your
- autoexec.bat to work. Also remember to delete the smartdrive line from your
- config,sys or who knows what might happen! Gee maybe that would fix the
- Commute problem....hmm...
-
- #: 7902 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 30-Jun-91 22:34:22
- Sb: Returning PC Tools 7.0
- Fm: Michael Wacey 72627,236
- To: All
-
- My only problems with OCTools 7.0 are
- Can't use DOS 5.0, PCCache and Windows - Machine locks up on boot
- Windows version of backup never succefully completes - it makes it through
- several disks and then hangs
- I have to uninstall smartdrive to use disk utilities - mthis is more trouble
- than it is woth
-
- Otherwise the tools I have used (few of them) seem to work as advertised. So
- based on my experiences and thos of oythers on this forum, I am returning
- PCTools 7.0 and waiting for good reviews of 7.1.
- Mike
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8184 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 21:04:19
- Sb: #7902-Returning PC Tools 7.0
- Fm: Dave Marsh 72510,2326
- To: Michael Wacey 72627,236
-
- Michael,
-
- Unfortunately, good reviews are not necessarily indicative of robust software.
- In all of the reports, reviews, etc., I read in the trade mags before getting
- my copy of PCT7, I never *once* saw a single comment about problems of the
- sort we are reading about on this forum or that I have experienced myself.
- I'm afraid you'll just have to buy it and hope for the best.
-
- Dave
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8261 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 00:19:09
- Sb: #8184-Returning PC Tools 7.0
- Fm: Gordon McComb 73155,353
- To: Dave Marsh 72510,2326 (X)
-
- So far, the magazines (including PC Week and Infoworld) have run "previews,"
- and they were clearly identified as such. The full reviews we should expect
- later. I can tell you that in the reviews I have done (one for my syndicated
- newspaper column for Copley News Service) I _did_ mention the bugs. That
- review was shipped out today, and should appear as soon as tomorrow, depending
- on the paper (though most papers carry it for Saturday or Sunday). I know PC
- Magazine and PC Computing are doing more in-depth reviews now, but we won't
- see them for a few months. I assume the weeklies will come back and do larger
- scale reviews, plus perhaps some stories on the goings-on.
-
- Darn! I just realized I missed the conference that was scheduled for today
- (it was today, right?) Did anyone capture it?
-
- -- Gordon
-
-
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8500 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 21:36:40
- Sb: #8261-Returning PC Tools 7.0
- Fm: Dave Marsh 72510,2326
- To: Gordon McComb 73155,353 (X)
-
- Gordon,
-
- Thanks for the reply. Even in "previews," however, I'd have thought someone
- would have made a comment like, "The review copy I had was full of bugs" or
- words to that effect. Surely all those folks at PC Week and Infoworld
- couldn't have been blessed with fully functional, bug-free preview copies.
-
- Dave
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8586 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 00:49:25
- Sb: #8500-Returning PC Tools 7.0
- Fm: Gordon McComb 73155,353
- To: Dave Marsh 72510,2326
-
- Yeah. It makes you wonder. I'm west coast editor for one of the smaller
- computer magazines, and we have a policy against reviewing or previewing
- pre-release software. It also means the other guys get the jump on the
- stories. I like PC Mag's approach of the "First Looks." It's pretty much
- just an overview of the features of the product, and little else.
-
- -- Gordon
-
- #: 7933 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 00:34:26
- Sb: Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- To: MELIH YARAMANOGLU 73437,351 (X)
-
- Melih,
-
- I'll add your name to the list. And thanks for the tip!
-
- Teresa Warsop
- CPS - Tech Support
-
- There are 3 Replies.
-
- #: 7985 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 09:34:27
- Sb: #7933-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: John Mandrekas 76517,535
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- Teresa,
-
- Please add my name also to the list of those waiting for the UV compatibility
- fix.
- I like PCT7, but I am not ready to give up Ultravision!
-
- Thanks,
-
- John Mandrekas
-
- #: 8249 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 23:40:06
- Sb: #7933-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Ozzie Alfonso 75116,1275
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- The list is getting longer. Please do add my name also. I find PCTools v7
- potentially very useful but full of bugs and buglets. The UV problem is one of
- the medium size ones.
-
- --Oz-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8328 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 10:03:48
- Sb: #8249-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- To: Ozzie Alfonso 75116,1275 (X)
-
- Ozzie,
-
- I will put your name on the list. I'll send you a note when we have
- discovered something about the UV compatibilitly issue.
-
- Teresa Warsop
- CPS - Tech Support
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8496 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 21:24:31
- Sb: #8328-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Ozzie Alfonso 75116,1275
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
-
- Thank you. Any idea as to when this problem will be soved? Is this a high
- priority item?
- --Oz-
-
- #: 8316 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 06:37:05
- Sb: #7933-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: J. Greg Jones 76505,10
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- I too would like my name added ~~to the list of those waiting for the UV
- compatibility fix.
-
- Greg
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8076 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 15:46:47
- Sb: Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Robin Collins 100015,416
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- Teresa,
-
- Wouldn't it be easier if you told _everyone_ when you get UV sorted out? I too
- would like to know, though since I use Back & Forth, which handles UV
- perfectly and can fire-up PCT stuff without UV active, it's not such a big
- issue with me. I would be _most_ aggrieved if I didn't have B&F to take care
- of things for me, and would want the UV compliant PCT ASAP!
-
- Robin
-
-
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8330 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 10:16:17
- Sb: #8076-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- To: Robin Collins 100015,416 (X)
-
- Robin,
-
- I have already said that I would post an announcement regarding UV when we had
- some information. The people who are contacting me would like to be
- personally notified so they don't have to keep scanning the board. Did you
- want to be added to that list, or is public notification sufficent?
-
- Teresa Warsop
- CPS - Tech Support
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8405 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 15:50:04
- Sb: #8330-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Robin Collins 100015,416
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- Teresa,
-
- Sorry, I hadn't seen your comment about a public message when the time come.
- That'll be fine for me, as I said, B&F solves the problem 95% of the time for
- me.
-
- Robin
-
- #: 8464 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 20:10:25
- Sb: #8076-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Robin Collins 100015,416
-
- Robin,
-
- The easiest thing to do here will be to put an message to ALL when we have a
- version of PC Tools or any other information regarding compatibility with
- UltraVision.
-
- Thanks, Tim Elmer CPS Tech Support
-
- #: 8094 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 16:50:01
- Sb: Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Paul Todd 70474,3351
- To: 70132,1310 (X)
-
- Dave,
- I'm responding to Kristin's messages while she's on vacation, and I
- wanted to let you know that you CAN run Version 7 standalone Undelete from
- Version 6 PC Shell.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Paul Todd
-
- CPS Tech Support
-
- #: 8216 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 22:27:32
- Sb: Ultravision conflict
- Fm: michael payne 70164,3333
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174 (X)
-
- Could you please also send information and / or software revision to me?
- Thanks Michael Payne
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8331 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 10:17:37
- Sb: #8216-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
- To: michael payne 70164,3333
-
- Michael,
-
- Yes, I'll let you know.
-
- Teresa Warsop
- CPS - Tech Support
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8623 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 10:21:09
- Sb: #8331-Ultravision conflict
- Fm: Jeff Garbers 76004,232
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
-
- Teresa - I'd also like to know when the UV conflict is resolved. I've gotten
- pretty good results using /NF and configuring for color text rather than
- graphics. The only one I haven't been able to work around is switching from
- text to graphics while viewing .PCX files in PCSHELL... returning from the
- graphics, the attributes are all there, but there aren't any characters!
- Thanks /// JPG
-
- #: 7986 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 09:35:12
- Sb: SI hangs machine
- Fm: Bruce O'Neel 72737,1315
- To: Jim Betts 72017,470 (X)
-
- Interestingly, I had the exact same symptoms on an IBM PS/2 M25 with MS-DOS
- 5.0 when I ran SI from the PCTOOLS menu, but when I ran it from the C: prompt
- it ran fine....
-
- bruce
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8129 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 18:15:21
- Sb: #7986-SI hangs machine
- Fm: Jim Betts 72017,470
- To: Bruce O'Neel 72737,1315 (X)
-
- Thanks for the tip, Bruce, but I tried running SI from the command-line prompt
- and still got to crash city the short way. I'm really puzzled, especially
- since SI runs just fine on my 80286 laptop. Oh, well, maybe I'll win the
- sweepstakes and be able to afford hardware with a "3" or "4" in the model
- number...
- Jim
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8448 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 19:34:52
- Sb: #8129-SI hangs machine
- Fm: Ben Charron 72540,1155
- To: Jim Betts 72017,470 (X)
-
- Jim,
-
- Some PS/2's are not 100% IBM compatible <g>! I have noticed some
- documentation for other products which advise different procedures and
- incompatibilities with PS/2's.
-
- Regards,
-
- ...Ben
-
-
- #: 8581 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 00:27:15
- Sb: #8129-SI hangs machine
- Fm: David Goudie 72537,13
- To: Jim Betts 72017,470 (X)
-
- Jim, I saw another msg here that referred to your (our) problem with SI. It
- was suggested to try a program on the IBMSYS area of CS. It's called
- lowfix.zip. It is a patch for SI and any other PCT v 7.0 programs that run
- from the DOS line and seem to be in an executable .zip format. (PK-Lite). I
- d/l it and it does patch and SI causes no more problems here. I also used it
- on several other problem children in this package and it solved their problems
- too. Th problem seems to be in memory conflicts stemming from the zip
- algorythm and what it does. Central Point needs to look into this and do a
- fix. (Hope they're reading this.) They also need to be aware and recommend
- it to us poor customers who are debugging their product for them. With all
- due respect to fine people and a fine product, it looks more and more like
- competitive pressures are giving us a beta version.
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8637 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 12:33:30
- Sb: #8581-SI hangs machine
- Fm: Jim Betts 72017,470
- To: David Goudie 72537,13
-
- Thanks for the advice. As it happens, I got SI running by doing a reinstall
- and resetting some of the Datamon parameters, but don't ask me why it worked.
- Re. your beta-test comment: I think Central Point wanted to make sure that
-
- PCT7 hit the market at the same time as MSDOS5 (remember the extra mailing?),
- and may have rushed things a bit. Jim
-
- #: 8467 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 20:10:53
- Sb: SI hangs machine
- Fm: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
- To: Jim Betts 72017,470 (X)
-
- Jim,
-
- Actually we rarely if ever delete any messages, but the traffic has increased
- so dramatically that the messages scroll off after about 48 hours. This brings
- me to my apology. I'm sorry that we didn't get a reply out to you. For SI on
- your system, what results do you get if you run the program with a /NOVID on
- SI's command line? This will disable the extended video checking, and I've
- seen other cases where this was needed. If that is of no avail, do you have an
- Expanded memory board in the system, or have you upgraded the RAM to bring the
- machine up to 640k from a lesser amount? If so, are you sure that the speeds
- of all the RAM chips are the same?
-
- Thank you, Tim Elmer CPS Tech Support
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8634 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 12:29:26
- Sb: #8467-SI hangs machine
- Fm: Jim Betts 72017,470
- To: Tim Elmer 75300,1173
-
- Tim, I tried /NOVID, with /NOLUCK! Anyhow, I figured things were bad enough to
- make a reinstall worth trying, so I did, this time changing a few of the
- Datamon parameters, and now SI works fine. If you can explain that, then try
- explaining why formatting a system disk from the disk menu produces a
- "Internal Engine Failure" message, while running format /s from the file list
- works just fine... Jim
-
- #: 7955 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 01-Jul-91 02:31:03
- Sb: INSTALLATION Problem
- Fm: Bill Oudemolen 72740,2177
- To: Teresa Warsop 75300,1174
-
- Teresa,
- Been feeling bad for the "workout" you and fellow sysop's are getting. Just
- got V7...have V6. Computer is 286, AT clone, DOS 4.0, 40 meg. hard
- drive(Western Digital WD93044-A, IDE drive), 1.2 MB 5 1/4 floppy, 640 K
- memory, 384 K extended memory, 256 K video VGA.
-
- AUTOEXEC. BAT
- ECHO OFF
- SET COMSPEC=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM
- VERIFY OFF
- PATH C:\DOS;C:\PCTOOLS
- MIRROR C: /TC
- PROMPT $P$G
- CER
- \IMOUSE
- PCSHELL
-
- and, CONFIG.SYS
- BREAK=ON
- FILES=20
- LAST DRIVE=E
- SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM /P /E:256
- buffers=16
-
- And...I can't install V7
-
- Every time I try, it hangs the system, plus, does something to make it
- impossible to get back to original PCSHELL. So, I have to run SETUP from V6
- before I can get shell back. It's a mystery to me. And I am no wizard in
- this field. I love V6, but have anxiously awaited V7. Can you help?
-
- Thanks,
- Bill
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8517 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 22:04:58
- Sb: #7955-INSTALLATION Problem
- Fm: Edward C. Mack 76234,1020
- To: Bill Oudemolen 72740,2177 (X)
-
- I need help also with installation. I have a Tandy 1000SX with a Seagate 84
- meg SCSI drive. When I get to the part where I 'skip' windows, I'm told that
- the drive is being analysed. The keyboard then locks up. Only way to reboot
- is to hit the reset button.
-
- I was successful with the installation at work (both copies purchased for the
- record) and haven't used it much at all yet. I have the same drive as home.
- When I checked the system I was told that I have 2 floppies, 1.2 and 1.44 meg
- which is correct. I was told that I have 2 hard drives, C and D. I was also
- told that I have 'another' drive. Actually, the 84 meg drive is divided
- equally into C, D, and E. Something seems wrong here.
-
- I really like the new look and features and would like to start using ver. 7,
- but I can't at home and am not sure if I should at work.
-
- Thanks for any help. -Ed Mack
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8535 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 02-Jul-91 22:25:28
- Sb: #8517-INSTALLATION Problem
- Fm: Bill Oudemolen 72740,2177
- To: Edward C. Mack 76234,1020 (X)
-
- Ed,
-
- Someone told me to remove PC Cache from V6 and try to install. I did and it
- worked. However, I am having trouble with undelete. And in my opinion, V7 is
- not as USER FRIENDLY as V6. I may reinstall 6. I'm actually pissed off.
- And...I still haven't heard from Tech Support after six days!
-
- Bill
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8638 S2/PC Tools V7 ·
- 03-Jul-91 12:34:11
- Sb: #8535-INSTALLATION Problem
- Fm: Edward C. Mack 76234,1020
- To: Bill Oudemolen 72740,2177
-
- Bill, I didn't have PC Cache activated. It still won't install onto my Tandy
- 1000SX's Seagate HD. Fortunately, I kept version 6 on each of my PC's. I
- only changed the name of the subdirectory to install 7. I hope 'someone' is
- listening and I hope we will all receive 7.1 (free) that fixes all these bugs.
- -Ed Mack
-
- #: 8525 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 02-Jul-91 22:16:29
- Sb: PC Tools v 7.5 ideas
- Fm: R. Chris Cowles 73347,2452
- To: sysop
-
- I've gotten PCT 7 working fairly well, but haven't tried getting everything
- back into UMB's with QEMM. That said, I have some suggestions for the next
- release (which will be soon, I hope).
-
- 1) Put Z-modem into Desktop Modem Telecommunications.
- 2) Make the screen blanker work in DOS Graphics modes as well as
- Windows. Since Commute, as well as other programs, requires your keyboard
- driver in Windows, this shouldn't be difficult.
- 3) Give me my text editor back in PC Shell. I really don't appreciate
- waiting for Desktop Notepad to load, just to edit a batch file.
- 4) Make the ShortCut Keys available with Version 7 menus, if loaded as a
- Function key. I currently have F6 configured to toggle Short Cut Keys. With
- V7 menus configured, F6 does nothing. In my opinion, it should disable the
- speed search functions available in V7. I *like* the speed search, but also
- like Short Cut Keys. It would be nice to toggle between the two.
- 5) I use PC Shell as a menu (ie, display Program List Only). When
- changing colors, I can't seem to get the Main and sub menus to display the
- same colors as the PC Shell function menus. Where do I vary that, if
- anywhere? Can this get fixed?
- 6) When using Program List Only, with descriptions displayed, hit home
- and end and few times. Watch what happens with the descriptions. They
- don't change as the menu selections do. Arrows work fine, but home and end
- don't. Please fix it.
-
- I'm sure I'll have more in the future. This note isn't written with *too*
- much irritation, but I honestly feel this product really wasn't ready for
- the market.
-
- Chris Cowles
- Houston, TX
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8575 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 03-Jul-91 00:19:18
- Sb: #8525-PC Tools v 7.5 ideas
- Fm: Hopkins 70054,745
- To: R. Chris Cowles 73347,2452
-
- I would really like to see a few more file viewers for graphics formats, GIF
- for example!!!. And I hate reverse Polish notation calculators. How about
- making your calculator like the one from the Word Perfect Shell?
-
- #: 8047 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 01-Jul-91 13:24:10
- Sb: The NEXT Pctools
- Fm: Elias Davis 71725,706
- To: Dave Marsh 72510,2326 (X)
-
- Dave, I appreciate the time you've taken to give me your answer, but I think
- there's a touch of arrogance in it. You can't really believe that users of
- less than state of the art computers should be consigned to the rag bin of old
- software because they don't constantly upgrade their hardware.
-
- I made a simple comment that I think CPS screwed up by limiting one's ability
- to trim out the aspects of the software one doesn't need. Even if I had all
- the disk space in the world I *wouldn't want the calculators taking up room on
- my disk*! I don't use them. I'm sure others don't use them. V. 6 allowed me
- to get rid of them. V 7 doesn't. I think that's a mistake. If you don't
- think so, fine, but I find your comment about the file list a bit patronizing.
- Just a bit. You're probably a sweet fellow.
-
- I love CPS. I will continue to support CPS, but I think there should be some
- awareness that there's a large user base out there that doesn't care for GUIs,
- doesn't have state of the art hardware, but would still like to take advantage
- of software advances as they become available.
-
- Elias
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8185 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 01-Jul-91 21:04:35
- Sb: #8047-The NEXT Pctools
- Fm: Dave Marsh 72510,2326
- To: Elias Davis 71725,706 (X)
-
- Elias,
-
- I'm sorry if you felt my response was arrogant -- it wasn't intended to be so.
- But yes, I truly do feel that, given the pace of hardware evolution, software
- developers must necessarily move away from older hardware. Yes, much of
- today's software can "run" on anything from an 8088 to an 80486, but it
- certainly won't run equally well on all platforms. Why, then, should PCTools
- 7.0 be any different? If it weren't riddled with so many problems, it, like
- its predecessors, would be a wonderful program. I agree with someone's
- comment that several of the features that once were simple have been obscured
- in the menus; hopefully, those minor annoyances will be remedied. The other
- side of the coin is that version 7 has added quite a bit. You don't have to
- install it all, but if you want it, it's there. BUT, if you want it, and your
- hardware (i.e., hard drive capacity) doesn't support it, I see no alternative
- but for you to upgrade your hardware. If you thought my previous message was
- arrogant, you're gonna think this is downright rude, but let's face it: a 12
- MHz 286 with a 20MB hard drive is not exactly a state of the art
- configuration. I'd guess you probably have something like a 65 ms Seagate
- ST-225. That worked when you got it; it obviously won't any longer. For a
- couple hundred $ you could upgrade to a 40- or even 80-MB drive and double
- your throughput (or better) in the process.
-
- As for pointing out the file list: I did that only because I thought you might
- not have run across it yet. After all, the documentation is somewhat
- voluninous! IOW, I was just trying to help, which is what I thought these
- fora were all about. I can't imagine how that came across as "patronizing."
-
- Dave
-
-
-
- There are 2 Replies.
-
- #: 8420 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 02-Jul-91 17:10:30
- Sb: #8185-The NEXT Pctools
- Fm: Elias Davis 71725,706
- To: Dave Marsh 72510,2326 (X)
-
- Dave, All you say is true about my machine and about programs becoming more
- complex. However, the purpose of this forum is to make one's feelings known
- regarding software and to get advice on its use. I'm a user who finds the
- program disappointing for the reasons I outlined. My guess is it's of
- interest to Central Point. I don't think you'd question the argument that it
- would be possible for a software company to outrun the technology of the
- market. To write programs which would only work on a 486 machine today would
- be foolhardy. I have a feeling there are others out there like me who still
- have equipment like the seagate ST - 225 -- you were right on the money with
- that -- which, in your opinion, doesn't work. If enough of us have this
- equipment as opposed to network terminals or whatever they're called or high
- powered work stations or 386 33 mhz machines with 100 meg 17ms hard drives
- then Central Point might want to consider some options such as keeping the
- desktop calculator files discrete so that some of us can delete them. Seems
- simple to me. If they decide otherwise that's their decision and I'll have to
- make my choices.
-
- By the way this AT type doesn't run at 12 mhz. It runs at 10.
-
- Elias
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8501 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 02-Jul-91 21:36:55
- Sb: #8420-The NEXT Pctools
- Fm: Dave Marsh 72510,2326
- To: Elias Davis 71725,706
-
- Elias,
-
- To be sure, it would indeed be foolish to write programs that will only run on
- a 486. Just about any program you can buy off the shelf will "run" on your
- machine. It's just that they will run less well; in some cases far less well.
- That's a simple fact of life.
-
- You'll also agree that as these newer programs add functionality, the get
- bigger. When you consider all that PCT7 does, 6.5 MB isn't all that much. I
- mean, WordPerfect 5.1 takes more than 3 MB, and it just does word processing.
- I do agree that it would be nice if you could be more selective in deleting
- files you don't need. But maybe you should be asking yourself the question
- I've been asking myself for the last couple of days: I already have pcAnywhere
- (which works), so I don't need commute; I have Spinrite (which works), so I
- don't need the new Diskfix; how many times does one need to be told that his
- system is umpteen times faster than an IBM PC (who cares); I already have CPAV
- (which works), so I don't need VDefend; I don't use Desktop *at all*; and so
- on. In short, are there that many neat and wonderful *new* features in this
- release to make me want it at all. I was delighted with PCT6 (yes, I would
- love to be able to prune and graft directories across drives and delete a
- directory without first having to delete all its files -- oh, well). Maybe
- I'll just stick with it. That way I save space and aggravation. (And $49!
- <g>)
-
- After seeing this release, I definitely agree with those who have suggested a
- "PCT Lite."
-
- Dave
-
- #: 8452 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 02-Jul-91 19:35:35
- Sb: #8185-The NEXT Pctools
- Fm: Ben Charron 72540,1155
- To: Dave Marsh 72510,2326 (X)
-
- Dave,
-
- I just picked up on the message exchange between yourself and Elias about
- 'state-of-the-art' hardware. Hardware technology progress has been running
- rampant in the past few years and prices for bigger stuff is going down. A
- few years ago a PC with a 10MB hard drive and 640K of memory could cost you
- more than $2,000. That same money will now get you a nicely configured
- 386sx. Problem is, not everyone can justify upgrading hardware, home or
- business. It is an expensive touch. Software back then was tight,
- well-written and optimized to run like a hot dam on an 8088. Today, I'm
- afraid the rush to market and 'portability' has resulted in less than
- impressive performance of the programs and their ever increasing size, not to
- mention bug problems. When I first got PCTOOLS, it came on one, yes one,
- diskette and did what it was supposed to do - uncomplicated and solid.
- Version 7 comes on 7 diskettes (5.25") and can use up more than 6MB on the
- hard drive. I've whittled that down quite a bit by using only the standalone
- modules and not using PCSHELL or DESKTOP or the Windows apps. But I must
- admit that this version looks pretty shaky. What would really be nice is to
- see all this stuff go back to (oh no!) assembler to make them small and fast
- again. I have a 386/25 with 4MB and an 80MB drive (now full) and would
- welcome smaller. Every product now seems to take 2 to 6 meg off my disk -
- like Windows 3.0 (5.5MB), Excel (2.5MB), DOS 5.0 (2.5MB), FoxPro (3.5MB),
- WordPerfect (3MB), Ami Pro (2MB), Paradox 3.5(4MB), SuperBase 4 (2MB),
- Perform Pro (2MB), etc, etc... (Yes, I'm a developer!). I will soon have to
- get a 200MB drive just to keep up with the bigger upgrades to those products
- and THAT is hard to justify.
-
- But enough rambling, maybe someone out there will listen and .....
-
- Regards, Ben
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8502 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 02-Jul-91 21:37:05
- Sb: #8452-The NEXT Pctools
- Fm: Dave Marsh 72510,2326
- To: Ben Charron 72540,1155
-
- Ben,
-
- I hear you, loud and clear. I have a 120MB drive and I'm screaming for space.
- Talk about big programs -- just one of Sierra's games can take up 4-5 meg!
- And have you tried Borland C++, yet? 11, count 'em, *11* 3.5" disks, over
- 15MB. I'm saving up for a 44MB external Bernoulli so I can keep all this
- stuff on separate platters.
-
- I'm inclined to agree that software developers today may be relying too much
- on peppy hardware to make their software look good. But I can honestly say I
- don't ever remember *anything* that ran "like a hot dam" on my 8088!
-
- Yes, I'm a developer, too. But if anyone *ever* seriously asked me to go back
- to assembler I'd quit in a heartbeat and take up real estate (and that's
- really saying something given the state of the housing market!). <G>
-
- Dave
-
-
-
-
- There is 1 Reply.
-
- #: 8596 S7/Suggestions for R&D ·
- 03-Jul-91 01:30:36
- Sb: #8502-The NEXT Pctools
- Fm: Gordon McComb 73155,353
- To: Dave Marsh 72510,2326
-
- Interesting comments in your two messages about the space requirements for
- WordPerfect and writing in assembler. The DOS version of WordPerfect is
- almost entirely hand-coded in assembler. Imagine the size it would be had
- they used something like C! For those three megabytes (which includes
- fatty-prone dictionary and hyphenation files) you do get a lot, even though
- the program is "only a word processor."
-
- I personally would be agreeable to a single utility package that takes up no
- more than 4M of my hard disk space. Eight megabytes is too much (it's
- actually more on my system, because I have a a single huge partition in my 336
- MB drive, and the minimum cluster size is 8K; I run out of allocation units
- before my hard drive is full, and that's causes by so many blasted files...).
-
- -- Gordon
-
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